New Druid Advice from the experts

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you think would be the path to farming pp for a ggr for a new druid, and by what level do you think it would be affordable? Which levels would be best for using this item?

Willowisps and gargoyle island may be part of that route?

Talking to DSM is like talking to a (not very intelligent) wall, so I thought I would just leave this thread, but ...

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To answer your question: god no! Low-level characters should not be farming wisps or gargoyles, or anything else for plat! I've said it a hundred times in this forum and I'll say it again: as a rule, untwinked low-level characters should focus on leveling, not gear.

If you waste time farming gear at low levels, you will level at the same speed as someone just wears the gear they pick up while leveling. I challenge anyone here to prove that (say) +30 HP or +15 Int meaningfully improves leveling speed. Furthermore, higher-level characters can farm plat many times faster than a lower-level one.

However, every rule has exceptions that "prove" it. For instance, JBoots are usually worth getting well before 60, Mages should pick up at least one focus item early on, and the Shaman epic is amazing for leveling to 60 (any guilded Shaman can get it around 45).

The Goblin ring speeds up leveling by a similarly huge amount, but it will take weeks for a low-level Druid to farm 6k. However, a level 17+ (lower with a group) Druid can farm it directly and can do so while getting experience.

Anyone can see the reported drop rates here: https://wiki.project1999.com/Goblin_Gazughi_Ring, ranging from five minutes to ten hours, so I'll call it five hours. Now, those reports are likely from someone doing a two-spawn camp, but the low-level Druid can only hold a one-spawn camp, so let's double that to ten hours.

You can spend ten hours (maybe less if you are luckier) doing the exact same thing you would be doing anywhere else (killing mobs for XP), and get an incredible item that will help you level faster for 25 levels ... or you can take DSM's advice, wait until you are 45, and farm 6k of plat ... after those 25 levels have passed.

[loramin]

P.S. I didn't directly answer:

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which levels would be best for using this item?

It starts being useful as soon as you can charm, so hypothetically someone could benefit from it as low as 14. However, the courier is 15, so (without a group) I'd advise starting at maybe 16 or 17 (it's been years since I did it, so I don't remember exactly what level).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Talking to DSM is like talking to a (not very intelligent) wall, so I thought I would just leave this thread, but ...

Another example of what Loramin thinks is "basic human communication".

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or you can take DSM's advice, wait until you are 45, and farm 6k of plat

I never said you had to wait until level 45 to farm plat. You can check the post history. Another example of Loramin literally making things up due to his poor reading comprehension skills.

You can kill guards for money and XP well before level 45. I made at least 5k before level 45 killing guards for money and xp.

Here's a 42 druid doing Oggok Guards:

https://youtu.be/iFPwL40IlYU?feature=shared

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To answer your question: god no! Low-level characters should not be farming wisps or gargoyles, or anything else for plat! I've said it a hundred times in this forum and I'll say it again: as a rule, untwinked low-level characters should focus on leveling, not gear.

You can fight XP mobs that also drop money or sellable items. Gregorasmic put together a good leveling path that also nets you money and XP. Killing guards is another tried and true path where you can get money and XP simultaneously.

I've made tens of thousands of plat killing guards while leveling between my SK and Shaman.

I am really not sure why Loramin doesn't know that you can farm money and XP at the same time. The nice thing about doing this is you can get enough money to buy something like Lumi Staff by the time you hit 45, so you can use it right away. You can also buy spells and basic gear obviously as needed.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. I didn't directly answer:



It starts being useful as soon as you can charm, so hypothetically someone could benefit from it as low as 14. However, the courier is 15, so (without a group) I'd advise starting at maybe 16 or 17 (it's been years since I did it, so I don't remember exactly what level).

The trash mobs are 10-16 and most of them are kos so you might get adds. Goblins in the surrounding area will attack your courier so you have to keep those down ideally. Unless you pull to a secluded spot you'll have to be very careful if your're mid-high 10s.

Also, kill speed. It is a 30 second timer so you only have a couple ticks to med and if it takes you a minute or two to kill a PH you won't get nearly as many spawns.

[loramin]

Why would anyone want to level from 20-45 (the prime charming levels of a Druid) with the ring, when they can be like DSM, wait until they are 45 and have earned 5k (not even enough to buy the ring), and not benefit from the ring at all?

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The trash mobs are 10-16 and most of them are kos so you might get adds. Goblins in the surrounding area will attack your courier so you have to keep those down ideally. Unless you pull to a secluded spot you'll have to be very careful if your're mid-high 10s.

Also, kill speed. It is a 30 second timer so you only have a couple ticks to med and if it takes you a minute or two to kill a PH you won't get nearly as many spawns.

If the trash mobs go up to 16 then 17 is probably a good level to start, but if it's 18 or 19 that doesn't really change anything about my point. And I agree, a low-level Druid can't farm the ring as fast ... but again, the point remains that you are XPing no matter what, so there is no reason not to get a chance at an amazing item that will help you level faster for 20+ levels.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah that's a pretty good list.

I also saw a guy named fatdog do Warrens > paineel guards for levels 9-24 or so. Maybe not a bad idea either. Paineel guards supposedly drop good money, and Warrens can drop things like bronze weapons. You can also get a few decent starter caster pieces from namd mobs.

https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291085 Fatdog's guide.

Yeah never done guards on my chanter because I wanted to keep acceptable faction everywhere so I don't know too much about them.

Warrens is good money I hear and high ZEM. If you're WFH you can do the guy who drops scepter of the forlorn but that's not really an exp camp.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would anyone want to level from 20-45 (the prime charming levels of a Druid) with the ring, when they can be like DSM, wait until they are 45 and have earned 5k (not even enough to buy the ring), and not benefit from the ring at all?

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or you can take DSM's advice, wait until you are 45, and farm 6k of plat

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

waiting until you are 45, farming the plat for the ring,

Please quote me where I said you have to wait until level 45 to farm plat. If you can't you need to stop saying this and admit you were wrong. I urge you to stop making things up and then doubling down on them. It just hurts your credibility.

Unfortunately Loramin has done this across multiple threads. He will misread something, and then go on a rant about things people didn't say for multiple pages.

[bcbrown]

I think Loramin's suggestion of doing a little leveling in the area and trying to get lucky with a Courier is a good idea. Fun zone, and since you need to get xp anyway, why not do it in the place with the chance for the single most transformative piece of gear for a charming druid?

If you're charming you're not earning plat, so if you don't happen to get lucky it's not like you'll be buying it until after you've moved on from charming.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Loramin's suggestion of doing a little leveling in the area and trying to get lucky with a Courier is a good idea. Fun zone, and since you need to get xp anyway, why not do it in the place with the chance for the single most transformative piece of gear for a charming druid?

If you're charming you're not earning plat, so if you don't happen to get lucky it's not like you'll be buying it until after you've moved on from charming.

I didn't say it was a bad idea either. I said I don't advise doing it, because of stories like this:

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My mage did that camp from like 12 to 24 and saw plenty of couriers but no ring. Seeing bloodstone rings in inventories gives me ptsd.

I typically advise new players to do consistent things while leveling. You can farm plat while leveling even at lower levels. Gregorgasmic's list is a good one. Getting to level 24 and having no Ring and no Plat is worse than getting to level 24 with some plat in your bank for basic gear and spells.

Goblin Ring is still 5-6k in 2025 because of it's rarity. That thing's been camped for at least 10 years now on blue. If most level 20's were able to grab a Goblin Ring while leveling, the price would be much lower.

[bcbrown]

I think it's a good idea. Blackburrow into WK bandits or Crushbone into Nybright Sisters will give you plenty of money for spells. Then go check out LoIO for a couple levels and a lottery ticket before heading back to EK to start charming. If you want a little walking-around money, get a couple levels on OOT Gargoyles when EK animals green out before heading to CT at 28.