Do you believe in fatalism or free will?

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Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I go to church like 3/4 weeks a month. that one I miss is usually a Sunday that I wake up and I'm like nahh F it today, maybe I'll watch the service on youtube.

Sometimes I get something good out of the service, sometimes it's boring. But after I leave the church if I ask myself, "Was going to church today better than not going to church today?" The answer is always yes.

The place is just overflowing with positivity and love, for no real tangible reason, it's just the nature of the people who are the church I guess.

That's always my answer when people ask why i go to church or are curious about the faith, it's just better to be a part of it than not be a part of it.

Yep. Believe it or not, I had taken into consideration that in actuality, the kind of people at church have a good amount of emotional intelligence and tolerance for other’s social struggles. If someone is going to have high amounts of anxiety, typical church folk are very likely to be empathetic and understanding especially to a first timer. Church has always been and will always be a place for the lost

But of course a Leftist I imagine doesn’t go or has a completely different perspective on church. And fair enough. But I know the culture of most Christian churches which was exactly why I suggested it. Man I shoulda mentioned the 10 studies that show a 3.7% chance of suicide though

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Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man I shoulda mentioned the 10 studies that show a 3.7% chance of suicide though

3.7% chance of suicide among christians? these are not favorable odds lol

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Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3.7% chance of suicide among christians? these are not favorable odds lol

Lol no. I was just peeved because Lune wanted to sound smart, so he acted like my church suggestion was so overstimulating to a socially stunted man trying to permanently mask his complete inability to progress socially that he might end up becoming disenfranchised and killing himself because some studies (he pasted some) show it’s harder for people with ASD for a multitude of reasons

I know it’s harder, and I know the risks, I still suggested it regardless

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And before this angle is taken, no I don’t suggest church for every person. I agree that church has a very positive energy and generally wholesome community, but he had already expressed a deep interest in Christianity which I don’t think is a religious preoccupation symptom despite him being on an antipsychotic. And didn’t he say he has a driver’s license talking about past vehicles? I didn’t study every word but the impression I got was that he is functioning on a level where he could mentally handle church, eventually. I’m not his life coach or counselor but the process is just go as far as you can and try to go a little further each time

I have seen an adult woman with schizophrenia who was having delusions all day have a complete psychotic episode at church and the nice church ladies who have rapport with her got her isolated to a smaller room and comforted her while reaching out to mental health help. If someone is going to have a problem, it’s not a bad place to have one. You notice I didn’t suggest the DMV? Or the post office? Or my Uncle’s Halloween party?

I also never suggested “just act normal bro” and adapting to function is still adapting. I also never claimed the person would just adapt their way to being completely neurotypical. But I think it’s just as safe to suggest improvement as it is to suggest stagnation and suicide

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Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also never suggested “just act normal bro” and adapting to function is still adapting. I also never claimed the person would just adapt their way to being completely neurotypical. But I think it’s just as safe to suggest improvement as it is to suggest stagnation and suicide

you're also extremely qualified to offer that kind of advice

bean counter style data driven approaches to mental healthcare is the worst way to go about it, but it sure makes it easier to monetize

keep it up SorenVC, I'm also somewhere on the autism spectrum and other forms of crazy

Get into nature, I wish I could hike the mountains of Deutschland

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Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're also extremely qualified to offer that kind of advice

bean counter style data driven approaches to mental healthcare is the worst way to go about it, but it sure makes it easier to monetize

keep it up SorenVC, I'm also somewhere on the autism spectrum and other forms of crazy

Get into nature, I wish I could hike the mountains of Deutschland

I personally believe a lot of it is experience based. But honestly when dealing with just snippets of information over the internet, a lot is common sense as well

If I recall, the dude had already mentioned not having a gf and being alone multiple times, therefore I personally would take an approach of how can we change this versus “there are people out there who are totally happy alone even though you don’t seem to be. But you need to socialize because if you don’t your brain will cannibalize itself”

I mean, it’s possible to change being alone and do it in a way that doesn’t result in endless failure burnout and suicide. I think hopefully we agree on that. We might disagree on the method, but like I said, Autism Centers for Excellence to teach very Socially Stunted Men How to Carry Themselves in Public” don’t exist on every city street corner. I wish they did. But people in lieu of that will have to make do with what they have available. And a lot of that is going to be mainstream stuff

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I asked the female priest in the mental hospital in January what I could do to get a wife and she said to go to church. I will try but it's scary! I have too much anxiety... What do you even do in an evangelical church when you go there first time? Just to pick up a Bible and listen and read along?

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I think Free Will rebranded to Good Guys?

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Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Free Will rebranded to Good Guys?

They merged with seal team (seal team is a reference to the military see)

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Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I asked the female priest in the mental hospital in January what I could do to get a wife and she said to go to church. I will try but it's scary! I have too much anxiety... What do you even do in an evangelical church when you go there first time? Just to pick up a Bible and listen and read along?

It’s fine to start small. For someone who has difficulty going out in general, any of these could be seen as a victory:

- Going and just checking out the building from the outside

- If you are up for it, going in and asking for a paper pamphlet of the program. Normally there will be a greeter there who might try to shake your hand and invite you in. If you’re not up to it, all you would need to say is something like “I don’t have time this morning unfortunately. I was just in the area and interested, maybe next week though!” Something like that, just say you don’t have the time atm

- If you were up for it you could ask if they have a YouTube channel with their sermons recorded, a lot do. Take down that info, then go home and do some recon by watching a sermon from home. This is just to get an idea, it would still be recommended to try in person still at a future point because the experience is better in person

- If at any future point you do sit in, and it’s too much, you can always leave at any point. People will assume you are using the bathroom because it’s the most likely reason. No one will hassle you for leaving and very likely everyone will not even notice. Going in and staying a while then leaving early is also still a victory