Do you believe in fatalism or free will?

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Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am 28 years old right now so I'm not a wise person. I've read some books for my lifetime more than average even though I didn't understand everything. I'm also a gamer so I suck at life. Gaming has always been my safe harbor. Somewhere I can relax and have a release valve. I've also been quite lonely in my life but I like it this way. Currently I only have 1 desire in my life but I feel like it can't be achieved. Fatalism gives me freedom from anxiety and worries. It makes me feel calm and secure.

Yes, but:

I've been let down too many times to think it was my own failure

- Is a bad recipe for personal growth, aka none. Growth requires the acknowledgement of failure

If I had to pick between using some mental existentialism trick to remove all negative feelings of an outcome

Or acknowledging those negative feelings and using them to create an opportunity for learning and personal growth, I would choose the latter every time


- Negative feelings are not inherently bad or evil. They serve an evolutionary purpose to steer us away from outcomes that are bad for us. Or another way to look at it is that they are steering us towards outcomes that are good for us

Sorry I can’t say it more succinctly or go into more detail atm, at work and didn’t get a lot of sleep last nite lol

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Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, but:



- Is a bad recipe for personal growth, aka none. Growth requires the acknowledgement of failure

If I had to pick between using some mental existentialism trick to remove all negative feelings of an outcome

Or acknowledging those negative feelings and using them to create an opportunity for learning and personal growth, I would choose the latter every time


- Negative feelings are not inherently bad or evil. They serve an evolutionary purpose to steer us away from outcomes that are bad for us. Or another way to look at it is that they are steering us towards outcomes that are good for us

Sorry I can’t say it more succinctly or go into more detail atm, at work and didn’t get a lot of sleep last nite lol

What if I told you I can believe in fatalism fully a 100% and still go out running in the morning and working out at home. That's what I did since 1st March and I'll try continue to do it. In fact, belief in fatalism makes me calm and I always loved feeling calm because I am timid and nervous. If at all this fatalism makes me stronger! Fatalism does appear to make you pessimistic and lazy but the longer you believe in it, the less effect it has on you other than making you calm and dispassionate. And trust me, being dispassionate is much better than being passionate, because Satan is passionate and God is dispassionate.

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Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if I told you I can believe in fatalism fully a 100% and still go out running in the morning and working out at home. That's what I did since 1st March and I'll try continue to do it. In fact, belief in fatalism makes me calm and I always loved feeling calm because I am timid and nervous. If at all this fatalism makes me stronger! Fatalism does appear to make you pessimistic and lazy but the longer you believe in it, the less effect it has on you other than making you calm and dispassionate. And trust me, being dispassionate is much better than being passionate, because Satan is passionate and God is dispassionate.

You LEARN next to nothing from your successes like a good workout. You grow physically and mentally healthier, your brain’s capacity to learn improves and I guess to a small degree you develop better kinesiology and mind-muscle connection. So you learn about that activity to a small degree

You learn loads from failures. Even from a workout perspective. You will learn much more about everything you want to know performance-wise, from trying to get a certain place or time in a race and failing. What was the weakest link? “Oh, my legs got tired at mile 3” “Oh I was sapped of energy completely halfway through”. Countless lessons about leg strength and meal prep (which is sort of unique for each person), for example, in that failure event

We learn and grow far more from failures than successes, or at least we have the capacity to grow far more. The growth itself depends on what takeaways you get from an experience

And learning what to takeaway from an experience, what label to slap on it as it is filed away in your memory banks, is far more useful than trying “to turn off passion” or some weird shit. We are not Vulcan lol

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Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You LEARN next to nothing from your successes like a good workout. You grow physically and mentally healthier, your brain’s capacity to learn improves and I guess to a small degree you develop better kinesiology and mind-muscle connection. So you learn about that activity to a small degree

You learn loads from failures. Even from a workout perspective. You will learn much more about everything you want to know performance-wise, from trying to get a certain place or time in a race and failing. What was the weakest link? “Oh, my legs got tired at mile 3” “Oh I was sapped of energy completely halfway through”. Countless lessons about leg strength and meal prep (which is sort of unique for each person), for example, in that failure event

We learn and grow far more from failures than successes, or at least we have the capacity to grow far more. The growth itself depends on what takeaways you get from an experience

And learning what to takeaway from an experience, what label to slap on it as it is filed away in your memory banks, is far more useful than trying “to turn off passion” or some weird shit. We are not Vulcan lol

I don't understand what you're trying to say but all I want to achieve by working out is to look like Ichigo when he faced Aizen. Because Ichigo looked like a strong man and had a perfect body... I don't want to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I want to look like Ichigo when he faced Aizen!

My mind wants to achieve this so that's why I go running outside in the morning and working out at home. To be honest I was never in a gym and I don't like the atmosphere there with those other people. I fear other humans and due to my father's impact on me this will never change. I don't want to sound like a victim but my father did have some impact on me.

Fatalism for me is like the sweetest honey. Just letting go of all your pride to control things and let go of all control and let things be as they are. Let criminals do criminal things and let saints be saints. That's all fatalism is saying. I'd rather be a fatalist that has nothing to do with criminals because fatalism turns you into a saint. You can't do anything wrong if you don't do anything bad. Fatalism doesn't force you to do evil things like what free will does.

This criminal committed heinous acts? Let's put him into prison! While fatalism just accepts everything as it is, and does not care about punishing anyone. I think that's why free will followers prefer free will, because they want to punish people. Fatalism takes away the need to punish people because we know bad people already are in a bad state of mind and feel pain, that's why they commit crime!

Fatalism just accepts everything as it is and doesn't try to change anything. It is like a tree that is being cut down and does nothing to stop it. It is pure peace of mind.