Chira numbuh wan!

[Lune]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The rich got richer under biden, and more billionares back him than trump, what say you?

Two things can be true at the same time. Democrats are infested with corporate rot, and Republicans too, but the extent and symptoms of infestation manifest differently.

Biden did not have control over the Senate and thus had little to no power without making shitty, corrupt deals with the corporate Senate. He was also severely demented and seemingly slept through most of his presidency.

I am not advocating for Biden or Pelosi or any of them. Americans need to rediscover unionization and trust-busting, and that can occur through either Democrats or Republicans. The free market made this country great and people need to be reminded that an economy dominated by monopolies and cartels is not a free market. Systematically dismantling the few checks left on corporate power, as the Project 2025 people are currently trying to do, is movement in the wrong direction, which is worse than the simple lack of any movement that occurred under Biden.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your vote and opinion do actually matter. From his inception as a politician, Trump was actually not ordained by the power brokers, and they did everything they could to bury him. Though the Trump movement has been a catastrophe for different reasons, his election was a singular victory for populist representation in the face of the corrupting influence of concentrated money.

Unfortunately, his second term is going nearly exactly how his first term went. He is leveraging every means available to him to prove he has POWER and INFLUENCE, which is exactly what he doesn't have, because he doesn't control Congress-- he's very close to a lame duck. Political theatrics, banging pots and pans while locked out of the kitchen.

Notice he hasn't actually done anything that would leave him open to being humiliated by congress like he was in his first term, and most of what he has done has been held up in the courts or walked back.

So yea, enjoy your entertainment while it lasts. Governing by executive order only goes so far.

Getting Mexico to agree to send thousands of their troops to the border to me screamed complete political posturing by Mexico to avoid a tariff. I pictured the Mexican President laughing as she cheers a wine glass with her team about easily playing Trump

But then again, I did hear illegal border crossings are now down 90%
https://nypost.com/2025/02/06/us-new...border-patrol/


The rest of the executive orders I hadn’t followed, but I do doubt that the protect women’s sports one will be overturned legally. That concept is one where supposedly like 78% of the American people surveyed said they supported, which is I believe the largest amount of Dems willing to side with Repubs on any issue, even higher than immigration or the economy


But the trimming the fat like firing 10,000+ USAA staff isn’t posturing, and although Trump didn’t do it directly he is taking all the credit

I, however, personally have some issues with the reach and power of Doge, and I have a personal dislike of micromanagement when I have experienced it in my job. I also dislike this idea that anyone who dislikes micromanagement by Big Brother must be cheating or cutting corners. It’s like I like the idea of having some semblance of privacy, and the respect to assume I’m doing what I’m supposed to. But I understand that some micromanagement is necessary

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Doge reminds me a little of a spouse saying “honey if you have nothing to hide and aren’t cheating on me why can’t I confirm by reading every single text and email you’ve sent since we were married”

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I, however, personally have some issues with the reach and power of Doge

I think DOGE gets alot more press then it should given that it's Elon, and it somehow has the same name as his meme coin (it's in the book of revelation somewhere probably)

While nothing like it has existed before, DOGE is basically nothing more then an advisory think tank to Trump. It can't do anything that Trump doesn't wanna do.

They don't have officers who can kick in doors, or the ability to independently dictate policy

When you hear DOGE did this or DOGE did that, it's the trump administration doing whatever based on their advice

We've all at one point of another said or thought that the US government should be subjected to audits, this is a good thing all around, it's a heck of alot more bipartisan then the legacy media will admit.

Most people want this to happen, those that don't like trump would have just preferred that it was "one of their own" who was doing it.

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Or another thought is apply it to your own life/job. Would YOU want someone studying every single minute and decision you made at your job to figure out if you are stealing company time by not working quite as hard as you could?

I feel like most sane people will be like “yea that’s great!” Until it gets applied to them, then they’re like “ugh, fuck this”

The same way as the Dems are hypocrites about illegals aka NIMBY

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doge reminds me a little of a spouse saying “honey if you have nothing to hide and aren’t cheating on me why can’t I confirm by reading every single text and email you’ve sent since we were married”

except your spouse is cheating, you know they are cheating, they know you know they are cheating, yet they continually insist that they are not cheating, because you both know that they are the only spouse you can get

hundreds of billions of american tax dollars are being straight up laundered through the US government.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or another thought is apply it to your own life/job. Would YOU want someone studying every single minute and decision you made at your job to figure out if you are stealing company time by not working quite as hard as you could?

I feel like most sane people will be like “yea that’s great!” Until it gets applied to them, then they’re like “ugh, fuck this”

The same way as the Dems are hypocrites about illegals aka NIMBY

we can't be arbitrarily taxed without any say or knowledge of where those tax dollars go, we went to war in 1775 over pretty much the same thing.

the representative system was originally designed to be the oversight of this money, but we now live in a world where 90% of those representatives have become a part of that corrupt system, so it doesn't work anymore and other solutions are required

[shovelquest]

EXPLAIN in detail how these make the rich richer?

-No tax on tips
-No tax on seniors' social security
-No tax on overtime pay
-Renew Trump's middle-class tax cuts
-Adjusting the salt cap
-Eliminate all special tax breaks for billionaire sports team owners
-Close the carried interest tax deduction loophole
-Tax cut for "Made in America" products

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two things can be true at the same time.

Yeah but show me where the rich are getting rich under trump. I can for the democrats.

Show me where they are ripping Americans off and I'd be happy to say hang em from the wall.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think DOGE gets alot more press then it should given that it's Elon, and it somehow has the same name as his meme coin (it's in the book of revelation somewhere probably)

While nothing like it has existed before, DOGE is basically nothing more then an advisory think tank to Trump. It can't do anything that Trump doesn't wanna do.

They don't have officers who can kick in doors, or the ability to independently dictate policy

When you hear DOGE did this or DOGE did that, it's the trump administration doing whatever based on their advice

We've all at one point of another said or thought that the US government should be subjected to audits, this is a good thing all around, it's a heck of alot more bipartisan then the legacy media will admit.

Most people want this to happen, those that don't like trump would have just preferred that it was "one of their own" who was doing it.

Correct assessment. Elon has no actual power but what Trump agrees to.

So it's really immaterial whether he's a Nazi or whatever.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we can't be arbitrarily taxed without any say or knowledge of where those tax dollars go, we went to war in 1775 over pretty much the same thing.

the representative system was originally designed to be the oversight of this money, but we now live in a world where 90% of those representatives have become a part of that corrupt system, so it doesn't work anymore and other solutions are required

Yea that’s fine that’s a bit of fuck around and find out on USAID’s part about letting it get as bad as it was. I have no love for USAID

What I worry about is what sort of new precedent will this set? Sure do a few sweeps but maybe Doge also decides to set up little bots constantly studying your every correspondence and task. I mean why not? Who is it that checks and balances Doge?

(I had the same sort of issue with the unlimited power of the Mueller investigation btw)

And the whole “it’s read only” reminds me of cops who say if you surrender your phone to us for this investigation, we will ignore any other information other than what we need for the investigation” yea fuckin right….