Chira numbuh wan!

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your basically asking me to explain to you the same incentives that cause people to become rich and successful in the first place, somehow don't apply to also wanting power and being the main character on planet fucking earth.

the notion you think any of these personality archetypes could ever be happy in obscurity on a island somewhere indicates you have no fucking concept of what motivates these people.

after like 50 million it doesn't do anything for your ego, it's why all these dudes are so active in the space race and other shit. but the scoreboard past 100 million is boring to them. even yesterday where the Oracle guy lost like 8 billion and zuckerberg went up 4, neither of them actually felt anything from that on a emotional level.

money doesn't buy happiness, power apparently at least makes you feel something.

Well, we are both accusing one another of having the power of mind-reading. I am not a multi-billionaire, and I assume you aren't either. So all you or I can really do is speculate about the content of these people's minds and hearts. And if the purely cynical take is correct, it seems to me it would apply to every single public servant ever. I'm sure firefighters want to be thought of as some kind of relevant main character also.

[shovelquest]

50 million it doesn't do anything for your ego,

This is such bullshit.

You know who says this? People who haven't made 1 million let alone 50.

No... I live a life of luxury. I sleep in a big bed. watch netflix. Eat great food.

Do you catch me not complaining about my shit life? No.

Do you see me going, youj know what, I can downsize from 5 rooms to 3, so i can help more people. No.

So why do you think that if you had 6 rooms or 60, it's any different?

If I was a billionare, I would be as accustomed to that way of life, as I am accustomed to my curreent way of life, that about half the world would be as far from as I am from a billionare.

So no, there is no "at a certain point its enough"... it's not, those people are just living their lives the way you are, and they are above you economically, as you are above others, as those others are above others etc.. and nobody, is sacrificing their way of life for the people below them, except religious figures.

And Donald Trump.

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So MLK, ghandi, Obama, Jesus, and a wealthy people are the same: greedy and just want power.

Got it!

Obama was a anti gay marriage neolib who went up like 2 tax brackets from hope & change bumper stickers. fucked over poor people with ACA by forcing them to pay a tax while already being fucked over by student loans because big pharma cut a deal with him and the democrats to deep six the public option.

MLK got shot by a racist, so not much power there, espcially when you consider the left isn't even pro a colorblind society anymore so you could literally argue he died for nothing.

ghandi - idk i'm not indian

Jesus - i'm not even sure he existed.

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So no, there is no "at a certain point its enough"... it's not,

is it, and your denying science by claiming otherwise. also every rich fuck will tell you the money doesn't mean shit after awhile.

once your past having to worry about groceries and bills and how much shit costs. your relationship with money changes instantly and most of them have an external crisis about the thing that actually matters. time. and how much of it they have left.

[shovelquest]

I agree wealth caps would be better for society.

I’m just saying a billionaire perceives his wealth the same way you perceive yours.

And to half the world you’re a billionaire, and that’s the proof I’m right because you could downsize to help someone.

Expecting someone you perceive to be a billionaire to give up their wealth is ignoring the fact that you don’t so why expect them?

At least MAGA chuds are willing to take the tariff hit to bring jobs home… notice the group that isn’t…

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, we are both accusing one another of having the power of mind-reading. I am not a multi-billionaire, and I assume you aren't either. So all you or I can really do is speculate about the content of these people's minds and hearts. And if the purely cynical take is correct, it seems to me it would apply to every single public servant ever. I'm sure firefighters want to be thought of as some kind of relevant main character also.

there is literally hundreds of books and psychological studies on this exact subject going back
decades.

this is some literal common knowledge shit, even by American common core standards

According to psychology, while money can contribute to happiness by providing access to basic needs and security, research suggests that beyond a certain point, simply having more money does not necessarily lead to significantly greater happiness

Certainly, here are several research papers and books that explore the relationship between money and happiness:

Research Papers:

"Income and emotional well-being: Evidence for well-being plateauing around $200,000 per year" (2023) by Mikkel Bennedsen. This study investigates whether emotional well-being increases with income or reaches a plateau at a certain threshold, finding evidence of a plateau around $200,000 per year.
ARXIV

"Money Does Not Always Buy Happiness, but Are Richer People Happier?" (2022). This research examines whether individuals with higher incomes experience greater happiness in their daily activities, noting that some prior studies found no relationship between income and daily happiness.
PMC

"Does more money correlate with greater happiness?" (2023) by researchers from Penn and Princeton. This study reconciles previous contradictory results, finding a steady association between larger incomes and greater happiness for most people, but a rise and plateau for an unhappy minority.
PENN TODAY

"Money and happiness: A consideration of history and psychological science" (2023). This paper discusses evidence that wealth is more strongly associated with life satisfaction than household income and explores the relationship between wealth, its sources, and the well-being it can provide.
PMC

"If Money Doesn't Make You Happy Then You Probably Aren't Spending It Right" (2010). This paper suggests that while money can buy happiness, it does so less effectively than most people think, and offers insights into how to spend money in ways that enhance happiness.
HARVARD SCHOLAR

Books:

"The Psychology of Money: Timeless lessons on wealth, greed, and happiness" by Morgan Housel. This book offers insights into the psychological aspects of wealth and provides lessons on how to manage money effectively.
AMAZON.COM

"Happy Money: The Science of Happier Spending" by Elizabeth Dunn and Michael Norton. This book explores how individuals can use their money to increase happiness, emphasizing the importance of spending on experiences and others.

"The Art of Money: A Life-Changing Guide to Financial Happiness" by Bari Tessler. This guide leads readers through a journey to transform their relationship with money, combining emotional and practical financial education.
AMAZON.COM

"Happy Money: The Japanese Art of Making Peace with Your Money" by Ken Honda. This book delves into developing a positive relationship with money, focusing on the concept of "happy money" and how to achieve financial peace.

"You're a Badass at Making Money" by Jen Sincero. This book combines personal anecdotes and practical advice to help readers overcome financial obstacles and develop a healthier relationship with money.

apparently the studies done in the last 3 years are taking the other side of issue, idk but still that one study showing 200k is insane and since i'm not gonna read any of this shit anyway im gonna assume the recent papers are contrarian on purpose for the solo goal of getting people to read their boring fucking paper

[shovelquest]

Money doesn’t buy happiness, but being poor is suffering.

Like for example, when a rich guy jumps out the window because he lost all his money it’s not because he’s sad. It’s because he knows that he’s going to suffer greaty and compared to his old life he’d rather be dead.

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m just saying a billionaire perceives his wealth the same way you perceive yours.

in a numbers go up "that's good" way yeah, going from zero to millionaire is way easier though and your happiness per dollar earned is going to effect you way more than when you get past a billion your interest switches to weird shit like buying politicians and and colonizing mars

[shovelquest]

Actualy to put it more honestly....

I think it's more because he was living a life of compeition, and judgment, and upon losing everything knows that he lost the competition, and the judgement of his peers is so great that he'd rather be dead.

Sounds fucking happy to me, ffs. No thanks.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in a numbers go up "that's good" way yeah, going from zero to millionaire is way easier though and your happiness per dollar earned is going to effect you way more than when you get past a billion your interest switches to weird shit like buying politicians and and colonizing mars

It was as difficult for me to make my meager living as it would be for me to become a billionaire.

I got here mostly by luck, and timing, and risking everything I had.

If I had started with 10 million and made the exact same choices, I'd be a billionaire.

Buying your first home for a poor person is just as difficult as a rich person going from millionare to billionare.