monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[Crede]

Originally Posted by plzrelax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I looted an addy club on my monk and I have been rocking that in my primary. The ratio is slightly better than the epic fist and the stun proc is great.

Epic fist in primary is the clear winner since it applies damage bonus more often, but Ada is good if you’re trying to hold aggro.

Epic fist: (9 x 2 + 11) / 16 = 1.81
Ada: (15 x 2 + 11) / 25 = 1.64

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Incorrect again.

He provided 2 parses without logs in this thread, and couldn't even tell us the weapons the other players were using. I asked him multiple times too.

With parses alone we also lose context, so we don't know if any factors were affecting DPS.

It would be great if he actually provided a few parses with both Cek Sword and his BiS 1h setup. If he gave us the logs, I could plugin in his data to my formula provided below, and we can see if it holds up. Other posters could provide data too!

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=440

It would be great if you could actually provide evidence of a shaman doing more than 20 dps in a group by mass root rotting adds while the rest of the group is off killing mobs. But we both know that’ll never happen

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be great if you could actually provide evidence of a shaman doing more than 20 dps in a group by mass root rotting adds while the rest of the group is off killing mobs. But we both know that’ll never happen

Crede comes in with random off topic questions from a past thread, because he can't contribute to the discussion.

You can root rot while your group kills other things. It works the same way as root rotting solo. I am sure you have been in a group where adds were rooted off to the side. Applying a DoT to them isn't a leap.

I am suprised you need evidence for how root rotting works, but this is what it would look like in both a group and solo:

https://youtu.be/1gdAIheodtY?feature=shared

I am doing well above 20 DPS here, you can check it if you want.

Hopefully Crede and Troxx do not derail the thread by pretending root rotting works differently in a group. It's a silly idea.

[Troxx]

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[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so you refuse to parse on raid targets or provide data logs? im not sure why you are against it and thus we will always butt heads good luck in kittens

Hey I’m in Kittens. I was 5th on King Tormax last quake at just over 24k
It was a bad parse at only 70dps.
Or I’m making it up.
Or worse it’s what Gameparse told me and I’m just a sheep.

I don’t care. It’s a game. I’ll try to be civil people who want to be civil. Or as much as it can be on p99: [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey I’m in Kittens. I was 5th on King Tormax last quake at just over 24k
It was a bad parse at only 70dps.
Or I’m making it up.
Or worse it’s what Gameparse told me and I’m just a sheep.

I don’t care. It’s a game. I’ll try to be civil people who want to be civil. Or as much as it can be on p99: [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are respectful to me, I respond in kind. If I am attacked, I defend myself. Pretty simple.

I don't know why people are so offended when asked for logs. It's a civil request.

I am not sure why I should be forced to believe Gamparse is accurate after yourself and Troxx said it has issues. That's not very civil.

You can easily provide both a Gamparse and the Logs as well. So much drama because of logs, and I cannot fathom why.

Nobody is claiming you are making things up when you are asked for logs. Logs provide context for the fight, and ensure there wasn't an error with your parsing program.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am just showing people that 2h doesn't always beat 1h. I think he just didn't read.

I hate to break it to you but nobody’s arguing this. Throwing around absolutes like Always is a quick way to not be taken seriously.

DW sometimes wins. Even much worse ratios. 2H tends to win more often.
It’s about averages. I can find a lot of examples where a basic rogue with ragebringer has outdamaged another rogue with a Tunare dagger. Four delay is a handicap but it’s not a guarantee in a world of fast electronic dice rolls.

I’ll presume you misunderstood our opinion of 2h and that was not an intentional Strawman.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure why I should be forced to believe Gamparse is accurate after yourself and Troxx said it has issues. That's not very civil.

I don't want to force you to believe anything, but are you willing to listen to an explanation of why Gamparse is generally completely accurate but in one scenario produces accurate damage numbers but inaccurately low dps numbers?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate to break it to you but nobody’s arguing this. Throwing around absolutes like Always is a quick way to not be taken seriously.

DW sometimes wins. Even much worse ratios. 2H tends to win more often.
It’s about averages. I can find a lot of examples where a basic rogue with ragebringer has outdamaged another rogue with a Tunare dagger. Four delay is a handicap but it’s not a guarantee in a world of fast electronic dice rolls.

I’ll presume you misunderstood our opinion of 2h and that was not an intentional Strawman.

I don't know why you assumed I was strawmanning anyone. When people say "doesn't always", that isn't an absolute. I am not sure why you think I am talking about absolutes when I literally said the equivalent of "it isn't absolute".

Originally Posted by wagorf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you aren't gonna raid, then 2h all the way - forget about dual wield

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All OP needs to know is just use a 2 hander.

There are people who voice strong opinions for 2h, even if they didn't mean it that way. People don't always have the nuanced understanding of your opinion when terse statements like this are made.

I am showing people the nuance of how it works, so they don't take generic advice without thinking. This is especially true when a lot of posters in this thread are assuming "BiS 2h at level 60" without actually specifying that. Not everybody will know that unless you are explicit. Not everybody gets their best 2h before their best 1h's either.

You can figure out when 2h beats 1h or vice versa if you have the damage formula. The damage formula is a good thing to have, since most people are not going to get every weapon in the game and parse each of them on every mob in the game. That isn't necessary.

For people interested in my current understanding of the damage formula:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=440

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't want to force you to believe anything, but are you willing to listen to an explanation of why Gamparse is generally completely accurate but in one scenario produces accurate damage numbers but inaccurately low dps numbers?

I understand the argument for Gamparse being accurate in the simplest of scenarios, like a solo parse.

The troubling thing is Troxx decided to post a composite parse from Gamparse that he supposedly knew was completely wrong and unuseable.

That by itself is quite concerning. It makes me wonder how many Gamparse users are doing the same thing, and how many don't know that composite parses are innacurate. It will skew their understanding of what they are parsing if they do not strictly avoid the features of Gamparse known to be inaccurate.

Everybody is also assuming Gamparse is bug free of course. I doubt anyone could confidently say it is bug free, unless they want to claim a deep understanding of the source code.

Logs don't have these issues. As long as you post the log data, everybody can check it too. You'll get more context from logs compared to a parse, and you aren't dependant on the assumption Gamparse worked. I still don't know why people are so resistant to posting logs.