monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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2h IFS parse on Giants.
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16964 damage over 553 seconds = 30.68 DPS with fistweaving

15023 damage over 553 seconds = 27.5 DPS without fistweaving

207 punch swings / 297 crush swings = 70% dual wield chance.

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1h Epic Fist + SoS Giant Parse
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16712 damage over 552 seconds = 30.28 DPS
305 crush swings / 730 punch swings = 42% chance to dual wield.

Damage calculations look good. I'm not going to try to confirm the time duration.

Why do you think the dual wield success rate is only 42% on the 1h parse? Are you sure you did that calculation correctly?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Damage calculations look good. I'm not going to try to confirm the time duration.

Why do you think the dual wield success rate is only 42% on the 1h parse? Are you sure you did that calculation correctly?

16 delay from Epic Fist divided by 28 Delay from SoS is 0.57.

For every 100 Epic Fist Swings, we'd get 57 SoS swings. Dual Wield has a 75% chance to trigger as a level 52 monk with max Dual Wield skill, so 57 * 0.75 = 42.75 Dual Wield attempts.

42 out of 100 is 42%. We got the number spot on funnily enough.

This also works out with the fistweaving result of 70%. The dual wield delay for fistweaving is tied to the 2h's delay, as you always unequip your 2h weapon after a 2h swing. So you should get 75 dual wield attempts for every 100 swings. Because fistweaving is a manual process, it is prone to human error. You'll probably rarely get 75% exactly. I am sure I missed at least a few fistweaves. I think I did well at 70% Dual Wields. That means I only missed 7% of my fistweave chances.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

16 delay from Epic Fist divided by 28 Delay from SoS is 0.57.

For every 100 Epic Fist Swings, we'd get 57 SoS swings. Dual Wield has a 75% chance to trigger as a level 52 monk with max Dual Wield skill, so 57 * 0.75 = 42.75 Dual Wield attempts.

42 out of 100 is 42%. We got the number spot on funnily enough.

Wait, you're assuming a 75% chance to trigger. From the data you logged, what's the actual number? 42% is clearly not the "chance to trigger", it's a different calculation, right?

We should be able to calculate the actual % chance to trigger dual wield, and it should be roughly 75%, right?

Getting 70% instead of 75% makes sense for 2h as you said, since you might have missed some weaves.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, you're assuming a 75% chance to trigger. From the data you logged, what's the actual number? 42% is clearly not the "chance to trigger", it's a different calculation, right?

We should be able to calculate the actual % chance to trigger dual wield, and it should be roughly 75%, right?

Getting 70% instead of 75% makes sense for 2h as you said, since you might have missed some weaves.

Let me see if I can explain it a bit more clearly, it is kind of confusing. For Monks at least (I don't have another high level dual wield class to test with), they should have a 75% chance to trigger dual wield at level 50 with max Dual Wield Skill.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Dual_Wield

When the delay of both weapons is the same, you will get 100 primary swings and 100 offhand swings. With a 75% chance to dual wield, you should get 75 dual wield attempts for every 100 primary hand swings.

If your offhand delay is slower, you will get less swings. In the case of SoS, you only get 57 offhand swings for every 100 Epic Fist swings. 75% of 57 is 42 dual wield attempts for every 100 primary hand swings.

So your offhand delay affects how many dual wield swings you end up getting. Generally speaking offhand weapons with slower delays have higher damage, so the higher damage makes up for the less swings. That's why you just put the best ratio weapon you can in offhand.