monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Troxx has yet to nut up at all. He was so afraid of posting his parses, he had to PM them to someone and promise them not to tell. How lame lol.

He still has zero data. I'll just reiterate:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx keeps digging a deeper hole for himself. Readers have two choices:

1. Look at real data and come to a data-driven conclusion - https://youtu.be/tVkVNorTzIQ

2. Listen to Troxx, who promises he has real data, but he can't show us. We just have to trust it exists.

I think most people will choose number 1. Troxx has lost the argument by default because he cannot back up his claims. I thank Troxx for consistently replying to my data requests with denial. He is simply building a case against his credibility with his own words and actions.

[Troxx]

PS: my really long story about ac, defensive parses, elimination of DIs and all that jazz was to point out the importance of large amounts of data. It was relevant to the ongoing discussion.

The longer a parse is the higher your level of confidence that what actually happened was more than just luck and coincidence. There isn’t really anything wrong with your methodology. Your video is real, as are those logs. There is actual potential there - you just need more total data. Your findings may be very accurate - or not - we just do not know for certain because the data set is small. You have the capability to finish the job you started - the only question is whether you will or won’t.


In the event that you do show that the DW is a tiny bit better than 2h and that 2h + fist weaving is a bit better than DW, that will be a great starting point for the next steps in the discussion of what constitutes better. Would I doubt those findings at level 52 if there was sufficient data? Not really. As has already been pointed out the dmg bonus for 1handers for you right now is 9 … applied every 1.6 seconds before haste. IFS has a dmg bonus of only 18 at a delay of 4 seconds before haste. Epic fists at 52 has more dmg bonus potential than IFS at 52. It absolutely does not at level 60.

My parses at 60 do not translate directly to 52. This is why context is important. You need to have a good idea of what you want to learn before you parse. Part of that is understanding how the game operates at the level you are playing. For your monk - this is level 52 on a giant in Frontier Mountains in Kunark. Your results may vary from zone to zone, expansion to expansion and mob to mob.

Next steps will or would include:

-the fact that you are 52 and each level further you progress the more the damage bonus of 2handers will mature (2handers will only get better)
-the fact that 100% of your damage at 60 comes from your 2h weapon at 60 which is gifted triple attack
-the fact that you will actually take less damage when soloing/tanking from having a fraction of the ripostes from the mob (every little bit adds up)
-damage shields do exist

I never got to parse this stuff as a level 52. My monk was 59 I think when the patch went live. Warrior and Paladin were already 60. Back then PB and TStaff ran circles around IFS because all weapons had the same damage bonus. Now TStaff is still clearly better than IFS but by a much smaller margin. IFS and PB are quite similar. PB has a slightly worse ratio but a slightly better “sweet spot” for damage bonus (30 delay is about as perfect as it gets).

Having honest “big brain” discussions with you would be actually nice. I just don’t think it’s possible. It isn’t in your character.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having honest “big brain” discussions with you would be actually nice. I just don’t think it’s possible. It isn’t in your character.

You've spent 30+ pages throwing a tantrum because you don't want to give out any data for no logical reason. I am not the problem here.

As I've stated many times, I have no grudges on these forums. We can have a real discussion at any time. You just need to swallow your ego and have a real discussion with data.

We can start at any time. You can provide your parses instead of hiding behind Bcbrown.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My parses at 60 do not translate directly to 52.

This is not a valid reason to charge 150 dollars for your parses.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having honest “big brain” discussions with you would be actually nice. I just don’t think it’s possible. It isn’t in your character.

The closest thing I had to throwing a tantrum was telling you to stick your fucking baboon head in a toilet for interjecting (really stupidly I might add) in a comment I made directly to bcbrown regarding his observed spread of the hit values.

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It is nauseating to try to have a conversation with a smart fella only to have the village idiot interrupt without even comprehending the substance of what we are discussing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The closest thing I had to throwing a tantrum was telling you to stick your fucking baboon head in a toilet for interjecting (really stupidly I might add) in a comment I made directly to bcbrown regarding his observed spread of the hit values.

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It is nauseating to try to have a conversation with a smart fella only to have the village idiot interrupt without even comprehending the substance of what we are discussing.

Remember this gem?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=268

You can beg me for my parses all you want. You can go get your own damn parses for all I care. Whether I post my parses or not ... whether you shit on them or not ... whether you care to believe them or whatever the heck you are inclined to believe ...none of it changes in game *reality*. Those with the tools and the experience know the truth.

You admitted to being closeminded, where you wouldn't believe any parses of mine. You are the problem here. You have yet to nut up and post any data. You are hiding behind Bcbrown.

Instead of posting 30 pages of nonsense, just send us what you sent to Bcbrown, and we can have a big brain discussion. It isn't hard to just copy the contents of the private message. Why are you resisting so much?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh you silly, silly fool. I learned my lesson a long time ago with you in this thread:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923

Another person specifically called me out BY NAME because they knew I parse everything. They requested my input.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...0&postcount=19



And starting here, I provided real world information:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...406923&page=19

You take a shit on anyone or anything that challenges your understanding of reality. You took a shit on me then. Why would I bother to spend any amount of time ever providing you anything ever again man? I mean let's be serious ... that thread very painfully (yet quite comically) LASTED FOR 26 MONTHS, reaching PAGE 573 and wracked up 5,722 POSTS! We all watched you dodge/dip/duck/move_goalposts and deflect. It's what you do. It is who you are.

Yes. I parse everything. Yes. I see actual performance real time, any time I am playing. Feel free to believe whatever silly bullshit you want to believe. That's your right, I suppose ... but we are going to call you out on your bullshit whenever your feces starts to stink up the boards.

You can beg me for my parses all you want. You can go get your own damn parses for all I care. Whether I post my parses or not ... whether you shit on them or not ... whether you care to believe them or whatever the heck you are inclined to believe ...none of it changes in game *reality*. Those with the tools and the experience know the truth.

Pearls before swine.

It works better when you quote the whole post. You edited out the context.

A thread was happening. Crede called me out by name saying I have a mage and that he know I parse a lot. Iirc you even seemed excited to see some real world data. I went out of my way to collect current data because I hadn’t logged in my mage since the pet nerf. I went out of my way to spend several hours collecting the data and the. A bunch more time to get it packaged for review.

You were unable to comprehend the data provided, misinterpreted it, spammed the damn thread with copy/paste (the same damn post like 50x over the following dozens of pages) with your misinterpretations … it was embarrassing to watch.

The worst such episode started on page 74 and went on for 15 damn pages lol

It’s like you had fried all the damn circuits in your brain

It started here:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...406923&page=74

Context man. Context.

Why invest my time again when every other time it has been a waste?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I didn't edit it out of context. I quoted what you said directly. Reposting that full meltdown just makes you look worse, so thank you for supporting my position I guess.

For someone who doesn't want to waste their time, you've spent 30+ pages writing paragraphs of nothing. A well placed parse would make you look smart and shut me up. Sadly you don't have the parse. You have the data sent to Bcbrown in the forum already supposedly, so it's easy to copy it over.

Troxx has yet to nut up and provide his data. We can keep going in circles if he wants, but this is reality right now:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx keeps digging a deeper hole for himself. Readers have two choices:

1. Look at real data and come to a data-driven conclusion - https://youtu.be/tVkVNorTzIQ

2. Listen to Troxx, who promises he has real data, but he can't show us. We just have to trust it exists.

I think most people will choose number 1. Troxx has lost the argument by default because he cannot back up his claims. I thank Troxx for consistently replying to my data requests with denial. He is simply building a case against his credibility with his own words and actions.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Instead of posting 30 pages of nonsense, just send us what you sent to Bcbrown, and we can have a big brain discussion. It isn't hard to just copy the contents of the private message. Why are you resisting so much?

Us? You mean you? I already set the ground rules. I spent roughly 83 minutes on it. We can round that down to 80. $150/hr works out to $2.50 a minute. That’ll be $200 PayPal or Venmo. No more freebies DSM. Beg all you want, you can pay me for my time or go out and get your own parses.

I suggest you get your own parses - it really isn’t that hard and you might actually learn something.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Troxx keeps talking in circles. This is still reality, and he can change it whenever he wants:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx keeps digging a deeper hole for himself. Readers have two choices:

1. Look at real data and come to a data-driven conclusion - https://youtu.be/tVkVNorTzIQ

2. Listen to Troxx, who promises he has real data, but he can't show us. We just have to trust it exists.

I think most people will choose number 1. Troxx has lost the argument by default because he cannot back up his claims. I thank Troxx for consistently replying to my data requests with denial. He is simply building a case against his credibility with his own words and actions.

[Troxx]

We have reached an impasse. I don’t think anything new is going to be said at this point, nor do I think DSM will consider putting in just a little bit more effort.

Summary: dual wielding is just as potent as it has ever been but 2handers now hold several advantages. Regarding dmg output, cheap EC tradable weapons end up completely eclipsing all comparable and content-similar/appropriate dual wield setups the closer you get to 60. By the time you hit 60, you really don’t have any upgrades available other than some VP drops or endgame velious weapons and tier for tier the 2handers will put out more damage. Prior to your mid-50s certain attainable dual wield setups may or may not perform similarly, but insufficient data was provided for certainty (head nod to DSM). Regardless, there is a tradeoff for fast weapons: ripostes and dmg shields.

The simplest path:
-get your epic (you will want it for all the other reasons)
-buy an IFS, PB or TStaff (if you can afford it)
-forget about anything else until or unless you are raiding endgame.

That is really it in a nut shell.

Can we be done or do we need to keep this going a few more hundred pages?