monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[Troxx]

I wonder if my old photobucket account still exists and is retrievable. Pretty sure the aggregate of all my Mayong Mistmoore parses were that somewhere around 52-53% of all received hits were for minimum damage (DI 1) and that >85% of the hits were all DI 10 and below with 100% of all hits being DIs 17 and below. Defensive parses from hp centric tanks in my guild showed max hit DI of like 10%ish, much lower percentage of DIs in 17/18/19 relative to max hit, and a minimum hit rate % of upper 20s? For DoDH the AC break point was +/- between 200 and 300ac. 2-3 hundred less and damage was spikey ... 2-3 hundred more and the tanking game was broken.

Rates of minimum hits received (DI 1) were around 70% for the nastiest group trash I could find. >90% of hits were in the bottom 5 DIs and 0% of the hits were in the highest 5 DIs.

The graphs were shockingly impressive. Unlike most tanks I almost exclusively used evasive over defensive. The hits were so low that the impact of the extra avoidance was a whole lot bigger than cutting the dmg received from the damage interval component in half. Max hits never happened and rounds with nothing but higher DIs (ie all hits landed and all landed for DIs 9-17) were so improbable that the tank killing spikes didnt occur. That ultimate safety net defensive provided over evasive was completely unnecessary.

[Troxx]

It's still there! I can see a random smattering of my old pics but not all of them without signing up for a monthly premium. Oh well ... there are a handful I can see :P

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Man ... I don't remember the names of a lot of these mobs or where they were from. The redfang mob was from the same zone as Mayong Mistmoore I think but that particular parse must have come before I had finished all of the era specific player crafted augments (with the raid drop shit that let you turbo said armor with super ac) and before I had all the best ac augments the expansion had to offer. I do remember getting to a point that I broke that big ass bat. I wish I could grab that snapshot aggregate from Mayong Mistmoore but it's not in the random 2ish dozen pictures I can see without giving them my credit card.

I did find 2 from that second era where players could not mitigate at all as well anymore but pets still could.

My warrior (xp grouped named):

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The damn mage pet (afk parse of massive size):

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Wow ... what a trip down memory lane. I kind of want to pay the stupid subscription for just one month so I can get in their and retrieve all my old photos and compilations. Oh well. Patients will be here in just over 30 minutes and I've already wasted enough time on this today.

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Oh, and this I think is a raid mob parse from the expansion Secrets of Faydwer. If it at all supports the long-winded wild tale I spun a few posts ago. Pretty obvious how SoE shifted mob attack levels to un-break the game that was broken with sufficiently high ac. AC was still preferred to raw hp, but it stopped being an 'I win' button. Ironically, it only made AC MORE important. The increased attack values made these mobs lethally dangerous to tank without sufficient AC.

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[Jimjam]

This was not time wasted today, Troxx, I really enjoyed that trip down memory lane! Thank you for sharing your distribution charts. That SoFaydwer one is very sinosoidal!

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That makes me inordinately happy.

The data analysis I provided earlier came from parses DSM generated and in any histogram he deserves credit before I do.

Thank you bcbrown... also my apologies and thanks to you too DSM, I appreciate you sharing the raw data!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In general, any data is good as long as you acknowledge what it is, what it isn't and resist the temptation to read too deeply into it. More data is always better.

You keep saying more data is better, but you have provided zero data for this discussion. Please take your own advise and provide more data.

All of that typing, and no P99 parse data. For someone supposedly charging an hourly rate for logs, you sure do spend a lot of time typing off-topic stuff. You could have just posted some parses related to the topic by now.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you bcbrown... also my apologies and thanks to you too DSM, I appreciate you sharing the raw data!

You're welcome!

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of that typing, and no P99 parse data. For someone supposedly charging an hourly rate for logs, you sure do spend a lot of time typing off-topic stuff. You could have just posted some parses related to the topic by now.

What I do with my free time is my own choosing. I don’t moonlight/work nights weekends. I don’t need more money. Data has been given, just not to you. Your chain requests for him to give you that data while I slept was very amusing. Experience has told us that any any legitimate attempts to discuss points of consternation is an exercise in futility.

So yeah I don’t need more money but I’m not gonna pour hours of effort into a fruitless endeavor for you without being paid for my time. Hourly rates apply; cash or Venmo.

Keep on begging sir

[DeathsSilkyMist]

There is no begging going on. This is simply Troxx's ego speaking.

Troxx has lost the debate by default. He refuses to provide any data to back up his claims. We have plenty of posts from Troxx as evidence of his refusal to provide any data due to my persistent requests.

Thank you for the consession. Your continued refusal to provide any data has further tanked your reputation as the data guy.

As it stands - https://youtu.be/tVkVNorTzIQ this video shows Epic Fist + SoS beating IFS DPS-wise without fistweaving at level 52. DPS was matched with fistweaving.

I urge the monks reading this to do parsing of their own so they can see which weapon has the best DPS for them. People like to throw around the generalization 2h is better than 1h, but this isn't always true, as I have shown. This doesn't mean the generalization doesn't have merit (it certainly does), but you may be suprised at what you find if you don't simply assume.

Take what posters like Troxx say with a grain of salt unfortunately. Troxx will simply pretend he has data. Until he shows otherwise, his arguments have no substance.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no begging going on.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=365

Evidence to the contrary? How many times in rapid succession did you ask BC?

I would have cringed had I not been laughing so hard.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Troxx keeps digging a deeper hole for himself. Readers have two choices:

1. Look at real data and come to a data-driven conclusion - https://youtu.be/tVkVNorTzIQ

2. Listen to Troxx, who promises he has real data, but he can't show us. We just have to trust it exists.

I think most people will choose number 1. Troxx has lost the argument by default because he cannot back up his claims. I thank Troxx for consistently replying to my data requests with denial. He is simply building a case against his credibility with his own words and actions.

[Eisai]

If one of the test servers has current code then it might be possible to spawn whatever you like and keep it and the subject alive for as long as desired.

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[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Look at real data and come to a data-driven conclusion - https://youtu.be/tVkVNorTzIQ

I actually got a little excited when I clicked the link until I realized it’s the same short part from page 12:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=113

I thought maybe you had nutted up and done something more substantial than the same BS you already posted.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did a quick test with my….

Operative word in bold.

Gather more data son! (Even if more is just more if the same just larger sets of data from more time spent doing it)

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don’t win an argument by doing 2-3 minutes of really sloppy work and then parading it around endlessly as “factually full of factual facts”. Not all “evidence” is actual evidence. Not all actual evidence is of high quality.