monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[Snaggles]

Did I say the Baton ranger was without Avatar? Even if he was, which he wasn’t, that 14dps gap isn’t being closed by Avatar. Maybe 7-8 or so.

Yea I got my claw and my whip before the 2h. With SCHW’s I was hitting high 60’s, I got a 72 or so with a spiked seahorse belt and Shissar. I’m not deleting them but they were bagged until I got my primal.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea I got my claw and my whip before the 2h. With SCHW’s I was hitting high 60’s [DPS?], I got a 72 [DPS?] or so with a spiked seahorse belt and Shissar.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve been parsing on Vindi for years. My best without avatar using Rip’s 2h is 74dps.

So you got 72 DPS from Claw/Whip and 74 DPS from Cek Sword.

That's a 2 DPS difference. I think you need to be more specific about these parses. Do you have 1h and 2h parse data that is using the same haste percentage and buffs?

For reference, I parsed my best 1h and 2h weapons on my SK:

https://youtu.be/P5ouLQOBAoE - Frostwrath

https://youtu.be/Py96jk2NflU - Ancient Fire Etched Flamberge

The difference in DPS between the two weapons was 5 DPS at worst. The ratios are very similar, 1.04 ratio on the 2h vs 1.09 ratio on the 1h.

[Eisai]

They are about the same then but the tank or soloist would riposte harder and receive fewer ripostes using 2h?

Which would be most affordable &/or attainable at the lowest level(30?)?

Also, if you don't mind me asking, if the current code were used for a classic server; would the limited choice of weapons change things?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They are about the same then but the tank or soloist would riposte harder and receive fewer ripostes using 2h?

Which would be most affordable &/or attainable at the lowest level(30?)?

Also, if you don't mind me asking, if the current code were used for a classic server; would the limited choice of weapons change things?

Ripostes are a factor, and 2h weapons riposte less. If you want to argue for 2h based on how many ripostes you get, that's a fair argument when the 1h and 2h weapon DPSes are close without fistweaving. Someone worried about ripostes would probably avoid fist weaving to minimize how many swings they do.

But a lot of people use DPS as the argument for 2h instead, claiming the 2h weapons are vastly superior DPS wise. I just want people to know the nuance of 1h and 2h weapon DPS, so they can decide which weapons make sense for them.

If someone is prioritizing DPS, they would choose the 1h option if the DPS was better. So we need to make sure people don't simply assume one weapon out DPSes the other based on 1h vs 2h. People need to remember that players used 1h a lot more than 2h before the 2h damage boost, and they were surviving the extra ripostes just fine.

Limited weapon choices does play a factor of course. Different classes have different options at different price points.

Monks are lucky because they can get a Peacebringer for 500pp. I don't think anyone has argued that Monks do not have great options in the 2h category for cheap. But this server is rather top heavy. There are players out there who just want the best DPS weapon, but perhaps haven't played melee class before. It's good for those players to know what options they have, as money isn't as big of a concern.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For reference, I parsed my best 1h and 2h weapons on my SK:

https://youtu.be/P5ouLQOBAoE - Frostwrath

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist

I am using https://wiki.project1999.com/Frostwrath for the weapon. I have 34% worn haste.

This is an interesting video. It shows that RNG can be a fickle mistress.

Test 01 - At 231 STR, I did 39167 damage over 603 seconds = 64.9 DPS (no ripostes)
Test 02 - At 210 STR, I did 38969 damage over 595 seconds = 65.4 DPS (no ripostes)
DPS difference = -0.5 DPS

A 600-second test that shows a negative impact from more strength. What conclusions can we make of this?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A 600-second test that shows a negative impact from more strength. What conclusions can we make of this?

I find it amusing Bcbrown is trying to pretend data and parsing is less accurate than a person randomly saying "I am right about X. You must trust me, and any request for data is not worth my time."

This is his worst argument yet. He would rather do this than answer the question why he never holds Troxx accountable for anything he says.

Bcbrown and Troxx could show me how it's done by providing better data at any time. They never do. They clearly can't.

To answer your question, it shows that 20 STR isn't increasing your DPS by large amounts. If 1 STR = 5 DPS, you'd see that massive increase. My DPS would go from 65 to well over 100. The fact that 20 STR gives fairly small DPS gains is why it can be hidden by variance.