monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ripqozko's parses were shorter than mine.

Rips parses have been given dozens of times over many different fights across many targets over the years. As a Ranger with a Cek sword he is very proud of what he can do with it. He provided 2 here. He has provided many from other targets over the years (have you forgotten?) and the point is always the same. As a Ranger with inferior dmg tables and no mainhand triple attack he consistently outperforms other “better dps” classes using dual wield. He is proud of what he can do with a Ranger with Cek 2hs. All rangers who care about dmg output should prioritize this weapon.

His parses are consistent with my experiences playing my 60 Ranger, 60 Warrior and 60 monk. It’s also consistent with my experiences with a 60 pal before and after the patch.

His parses are consistent with reality. They are full fight parses. You can’t exactly run a longer Vindi parse. It dies when it dies.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rips parses have been given dozens of times over many different fights across many targets over the years. As a Ranger with a Cek sword he is very proud of what he can do with it. He provided 2 here. He has provided many from other targets over the years (have you forgotten?) and the point is always the same. As a Ranger with inferior dmg tables and no mainhand triple attack he consistently outperforms other “better dps” classes using dual wield. He is proud of what he can do with a Ranger with Cek 2hs. All rangers who care about dmg output should prioritize this weapon.

His parses are consistent with my experiences playing my 60 Ranger, 60 Warrior and 60 monk. It’s also consistent with my experiences with a 60 pal before and after the patch.

His parses are consistent with reality. They are full fight parses. You can’t exactly run a longer Vindi parse. It dies when it dies.

Lol you still can't admit you are wrong on such a simple point. If 3 minutes is too short to get an accurrate parse, that is true regardless of the mob.

My parses at 3 minutes were also consistent with reality. I have a video and logs to back it up too.

[Troxx]

For the record my monk hasn’t used epic since shortly after (within a day or 2) of the 2h dmg bonus patch. Only used epic fists after that to push interrupt complete heal mobs (when that was still a thing).

That was years ago and no I’m not going to sift back through years worth of logs to find those old fights. I know what the truth is and I have played that game with you enough times to know that it won’t matter. Your mind is closed and incapable of change once you hunker down. We have threads hundreds of pages and thousands of posts long demonstrating that.

You do you. If you want to believe wrong things, more power to you.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the record my monk hasn’t used epic since shortly after (within a day or 2) of the 2h dmg bonus patch. Only used epic fists after that to push interrupt complete heal mobs (when that was still a thing).

That was years ago and no I’m not going to sift back through years worth of logs to find those old fights. I know what the truth is and I have played that game with you enough times to know that it won’t matter. Your mind is closed and incapable of change once you hunker down. We have threads hundreds of pages and thousands of posts long demonstrating that.

You do you. If you want to believe wrong things, more power to you.

See? When Troxx is asked for data, he just can't be bothered, and doesn't need to provide it. When other people provide data that puts his reality into question, it is always insufficient or wrong.

[Troxx]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923

Five thousand, seven hundred and twenty two posts in a single thread of DSM arguing with everyone else. Data given, data ignored. Logic and sound discussion on a near infinite loop, summarily ignored.

This is what happens when you don’t stop replying to a DSM thread.

You do you. If you want to believe wrong things, go for it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Troxx has gone back to spamming threads and trolling. Everybody knows this is what Troxx does after he lost an argument. Thanks for admitting defeat.

The link he posted just shows how big of a troll Troxx is. It doesn't hurt me or help him.

[Eisai]

If you're 'fist weaving' you still eat the same damage shield and riposte as dual wield right?

Also, this post is months old with most of the posts debating the length of parseed data sets? Must be running on a grant to have dragged out the conclusion for this long.

If you really need a controlled environment (cause, science) it might be best to strip down to weapons only to create a baseline unperverted by other factors that can create points of argument?

Stein wielding paladin spamming flash to remove dodge/riposte/etc. Fight stuff that take forever to whittle down but can't kill the pally either?

Remember when the most important aspect of an argument was to be the undeniable winner? All you need here is the data - assuming you actually do want to win.

Or maybe this isn't about monks at all...

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember when the most important aspect of an argument was to be the undeniable winner? All you need here is the data - assuming you actually do want to win.

Or maybe this isn't about monks at all...

Agreed! The best data wins, and that is what matters. It doesn't matter who is correct.

You are correct posters like Troxx have an ulterior motive. He is famous for spamming threads when people post something he disagrees with. It is quite disruptive. You can see he never provides data to back up his positions.

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're 'fist weaving' you still eat the same damage shield and riposte as dual wield right?

Yes, you get hit with damage shields and ripostes from fist weaving punches. So I agree with you people would be less likely to do it if they are worried about it in a specific fight.

[Snaggles]

A 2-3 vindi parse is exactly that. Most of us have at least a dozen of those with similar buffs. Add them together it’s some level of consistency.

I’ve been parsing on Vindi for years. My best without avatar using Rip’s 2h is 74dps. My best with a Silver Whip of Rage/Claw is 66. I’ve seen a 70 from a Baton ranger before, never what Rip had done.

If we go parse on blue cons numbers are all over the place, and often way high. Nobody pulls off a freak parse on Vindi unless they are a freak.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A 2-3 vindi parse is exactly that. Most of us have at least a dozen of those with similar buffs. Add them together it’s some level of consistency.

I’ve been parsing on Vindi for years. My best without avatar using Rip’s 2h is 74dps. My best with a Silver Whip of Rage/Claw is 66. I’ve seen a 70 from a Baton ranger before, never what Rip had done.

If we go parse on blue cons numbers are all over the place, and often way high. Nobody pulls off a freak parse on Vindi unless they are a freak.

If a baton ranger is doing 70 DPS without avatar, and a Cek Sword is doing 74 DPS without avatar, the best 1h is pretty close to the best 2h. Certainly not the vast difference people keep implying. You are looking at a 5.5% difference between the two weapons. If you don't have Cek Sword or Shovel of the Harvest, a baton ranger is going to out DPS all other 2h options using your data.

I point this out because someone who does happen to get their 1h raid weapons before their 2h weapons would incorrectly use an inferior 2h weapon if they believed the 2h generalization without parsing.