monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[Snaggles]

Nevermind. I don’t care.

Levels 1-59 are about getting exp. Not dying and being able to kill more stuff per minute is your own reward.

Level 60 is about raid parsing and tweaking gear, where you land on the meter.

You are probably still salty because I said that Adamantite Club and Baton of Royal Stature is a bad combo. It’s true.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nevermind. I don’t care.

Levels 1-59 are about getting exp. Not dying and being able to kill more stuff per minute is your own reward.

Level 60 is about raid parsing and tweaking gear, where you land on the meter.

You are probably still salty because I said that Adamantite Club and Baton of Royal Stature is a bad combo. It’s true.

Take your own advise and parse. Admit when you are wrong if the parse contradicts your previous knowledge.

I am not sure why you think I am salty. At 52 Addy Club + Baton do good DPS, and they are fun to use with the stun procs. Clearly you have no understanding of how they parse at 52 since you were wrong about Epic Fist + SoS. I have IFS too.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where is your 31dps parse?…

2-3 minute parse …

#BiglyReliable

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2-3 minute parse …

#BiglyReliable

Where is your "better" parse? You could provide one at any time! Sadly you won't, so your opinion is baseless.

I still don't understand why there is so much resistance. Do people have some secret agenda to prevent people from knowing about 1h weapons? Knowing how weapons parse shouldn't be this controversial lol. If the parse shows a weapon set is better, great!

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2-3 minute parse …

#BiglyReliable

That’s a back tattoo to start a conversion anywhere there is a pool.

I’ll try to upload some Dain parses. They are long fights with high ac.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a back tattoo to start a conversion anywhere there is a pool.

I’ll try to upload some Dain parses. They are long fights with high ac.

You could provide a parse at anytime! I look forward to it.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could provide a parse at anytime! I look forward to it.

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 127s, 184k @1449 | Korakaz 14544@(128 in 113s) | Prutter 12134@(97 in 125s) | Cidr 10851@(89 in 121s) | Sheko 10504@(86 in 122s) | Ripqozko 10407@(82 in 126s) | Camoan 10116@(81 in 124s) | Dirtyroger 9989@(79 in 125s) | Jesterka 9091@(80 in 113s) | Sogun 8938@(73 in 122s) | Prekk 8879@(82 in 108s) | Imrahir 7849@(63 in 123s) | Worrio 7820@(62 in 125s) | Sephyr 7415@(69 in 107s) | Zhishen 7404@(60 in 122s) | Hereto 6763@(63 in 107s)

Sogun=typical 1h ranger
Ripqozko= Cek sword 2h


edit: that was this morning.

edit: 2 this was day before

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 146s, 185k @1270 | Korakaz 16729@(117 in 142s) | Deadpull 16168@(115 in 140s) | Amenok 14114@(100 in 141s) | Prekk 12871@(91 in 141s) | Sokay 12736@(90 in 141s) | Larsiny 12685@(90 in 140s) | Ripqozko 11605@(84 in 137s) | Jesterka 11321@(83 in 136s) | Gorgatron 10809@(77 in 140s) | Sogun 8857@(66 in 134s) | Kayak 7811@(57 in 137s) | Divinestrength 7310@(51 in 143s) | Zieros 7206@(55 in 129s) | Blackduck 7132@(50 in 140s) | Francess 7128@(49 in 144s)

Camoan=1h monk and I outdps as a ranger, they get triple attack and I don't. 2h is superior even if you won't ever agree.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 127s, 184k @1449 | Korakaz 14544@(128 in 113s) | Prutter 12134@(97 in 125s) | Cidr 10851@(89 in 121s) | Sheko 10504@(86 in 122s) | Ripqozko 10407@(82 in 126s) | Camoan 10116@(81 in 124s) | Dirtyroger 9989@(79 in 125s) | Jesterka 9091@(80 in 113s) | Sogun 8938@(73 in 122s) | Prekk 8879@(82 in 108s) | Imrahir 7849@(63 in 123s) | Worrio 7820@(62 in 125s) | Sephyr 7415@(69 in 107s) | Zhishen 7404@(60 in 122s) | Hereto 6763@(63 in 107s)

Sogun=typical 1h ranger
Ripqozko= Cek sword 2h


edit: that was this morning.

edit: 2 this was day before

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 146s, 185k @1270 | Korakaz 16729@(117 in 142s) | Deadpull 16168@(115 in 140s) | Amenok 14114@(100 in 141s) | Prekk 12871@(91 in 141s) | Sokay 12736@(90 in 141s) | Larsiny 12685@(90 in 140s) | Ripqozko 11605@(84 in 137s) | Jesterka 11321@(83 in 136s) | Gorgatron 10809@(77 in 140s) | Sogun 8857@(66 in 134s) | Kayak 7811@(57 in 137s) | Divinestrength 7310@(51 in 143s) | Zieros 7206@(55 in 129s) | Blackduck 7132@(50 in 140s) | Francess 7128@(49 in 144s)

Camoan=1h monk and I outdps as a ranger, they get triple attack and I don't. 2h is superior even if you won't ever agree.

Thanks for the parses! Data is always great.

What weapons did Camoan have?

Camoan was 300 damage behind you, and 2 seconds less. The parses are basically equal. The parser just rounded up from 81 to 82 since it is an integer. Claiming you out DPSed them is a bit of a stretch if the implication was anything more than a very small DPS advantage in this parse.

If the goal was to prove 2h is massively better at 60 compared to 1h, this parse doesn't show it.

I am not sure why you think I believe 2h can't be better than 1h. I already said Abashis would out DPS FoN + Gharns previously in this thread. Where do people get these delusional ideas from? I can only assume bias colors how people read what I say.

I am saying 1h is not always worse than 2h. People are exaggurating the differences between 1h and 2h. This is a problem because it is clearly warping people's understanding of different weapon combos, especially while leveling.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the parses! Data is always great.

What weapons did Camoan have?

Camoan was 300 damage behind you, and 2 seconds less. The parses are basically equal. The parser just rounded up from 81 to 82 since it is an integer. Claiming you out DPSed them is a bit of a stretch if the implication was anything more than a very small DPS advantage in this parse.

If the goal was to prove 2h is massively better at 60 compared to 1h, this parse doesn't show it.

I am not sure why you think I believe 2h can't be better than 1h. I already said Abashis would out DPS FoN + Gharns previously in this thread. Where do people get these delusional ideas from? I can only assume bias colors how people read what I say.

I am saying 1h is not always worse than 2h. People are exaggurating the differences between 1h and 2h. This is a problem because it is clearly warping people's understanding of different weapon combos, especially while leveling.

he was flavor, sogun was the other ranger in 1h. monks get triple attack rangers dont and i still keep up. i know you never change opinions so take care.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2h is superior even if you won't ever agree.

His napkin math and short parses on low ac xp mobs on a 52 monk do not agree with you or anyone else know knows the truth to be otherwise.

But going back 10+ pages let us repeat this:

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Point is simply that no matter how you slice it, the mantra of fast weapons for the damage bonus was turned on its head. 2handers now deal more damage bonus per unit time than fast weapons.

At 60 a 2handed weapon with a delay of 30 (tstaff) for example will have a chance to apply 29 damage bonus per hit at an interval of 3 seconds (1.5 seconds at max haste).

You would need a 1hander with a starting delay of 11 (before haste) to have greater dmg bonus potential. A delay of 12 isn’t fast enough.

No such weapon exists.

Admittedly the delay of 30 is quite literally THE sweet spot. Let’s use another example.

For a 2handed weapon with a delay of 40 (IFS) … it’s 34 dmg per 4 seconds.

You would need a 1 hander (main hand) with a delay of 13 to have mathematical parity with the dmg bonus potential of the IFS and a delay of 12 to beat it.

No such weapons exist.

This is why dual wielding for monks is so generally lame at this point. There has to be a massive (BiS endgame dual wield setups) ratio advantage to compete (beat) with 38/40 or 29/30 EC monk 2hander. At that point they only win via massive ratio superiority. If you have access to those weapons, you also have access to ToV or VP 2handers (and probably many for cheaper dkp) with ratios that far outclass the EC gear.

The higher the ac, the more relative importance the portion of your damage from damage bonus.

Math is math. It really isn’t complicated.

It used to be that ratio was king (still true) but fast one handers carried the relative advantage of being preferred on high ac mobs where damage bonus (static) favored fast 1handers. A superior 2hand ratio could lose out to an inferior DW setup when more of your hits were going to be on the lower end of the spectrum of possibility.

Now it is literally the opposite. Ratio remains king but dmg bonus favors the 2hander. Which setup has more dmg bonus potential is not up for debate. It is a known fact now. An inferior ratio 2hander can outperform a superior DW setup - it depends on how far apart the ratio gap is. Tier for tier and content for content … 2handers will more or less always win. Endgame 2handers outperform endgame dual wield. Groupable or low raid 2handers outperform comparable tier dual wields. Very high end groupable 2handers for monks (specifically TStaff) are shockingly competitive to raid level dual wield setups.

It really is not rocket surgery.

Math is math

(except for DSM’s napkin math)