monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're comparing 4508 napkin-math damage for the 1h setup to 4393 napkin-math damage for the 2h setup without fist weaving. The number of hits for the 1h napkin-math comes from a 163 second parse, giving 27.6 DPS. The number of hits for the 2h napkin-math comes from a 155 second parse, giving 28.3 DPS.

Your numbers show the 2h setup without fist weaving doing higher DPS than the 1h setup.

I literally said in that post "without fistweaving". Please read for once. Many players don't fist weave, including Toxigen. Quite a few players don't even know you can do it.

Again, this is why generalizations aren't great. People may not assume "with fistweaving" when you use the generalization "2h is better than 1h".

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve lost track due to this dumpster fire.

Pretty easy then, aside from the answers I expect on page 1-2:
Get a Jade mace or something
Get a Peacebringer or IFS for 30-60

Feel free to use a Fist and SoS if you want to get smashed by rangers and knights.

In the low 50s Epic + SoS is outdamaging IFS factually without fistweaving. I just showed it: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=113 . Please stop posting inaccurate information. You aren't helping OP. 2h damage bonus is lower at lower levels.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I literally said in that post "without fistweaving". Please read for once. Many players don't fist weave, including Toxigen. Quite a few players don't even know you can do it.

Again, this is why generalizations aren't great. People may not assume "with fistweaving" when you use the generalization "2h is better than 1h".

You may want to re-read what you're quoting. I'm pointing out that even without fistweaving, your math has 2h doing higher DPS than 1h: 28.3 2h vs 27.6 1h.

[Troxx]

lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You may want to re-read what you're quoting. I'm pointing out that even without fistweaving, your math has 2h doing higher DPS than 1h: 28.3 2h vs 27.6 1h.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1h napkin-math comes from a 163 second parse... The number of hits for the 2h napkin-math comes from a 155 second parse...

Nice try! That was a good line of attack on my reasoning. But you forgot to take into account double attack. It's possible the 2h weapon got more than average double attacks in my video. You need to look at the pure swing average if you want to remove the variance from the two tests.

Epic Fist is a 9/16 weapon, and IFS is a 38/40 weapon. 16 divided by 40 is 0.4. This means you get 40 swings of IFS for every 100 swings of Epic Fist.

Looking at a level 52 Monk using the data from this post:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=113

40 * 95.5 = 3820 damage from IFS.

27 * 100 = 2700 damage from Epic Fist.

Using the 48% dual wield rate from the video would be 48 swings from SoS.

34 * 48 = 1632 damage from SoS.

You are looking at 3820 damage from IFS vs 4332 damage from Epic + SoS at 100% hit rate. Most likely the dual wield chance is 50%, but 48% is better for steel-manning the argument.

Let's include double attack. Wiki says at 200 skill 50% of swings should trigger a double attack.

60 * 95.5 = 5730 damage from IFS

27 * 150 = 4050 damage from Epic Fist

34 * 72 = 2448 damage from SoS

So you end up with 5730 damage from IFS vs. 6498 damage from Epic + SoS at 100% hit rate.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol

The damage for Epic + SoS ended up exceeding the damage for IFS more than my original post for a level 52 monk without fistweaving. You laughed a bit too early.

[Snaggles]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...10&postcount=4

DSM made me feel bad. Luckily this poster gets it!

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice try! That was a good line of attack on my reasoning. But you forgot to take into account double attack. It's possible the 2h weapon got more than average double attacks in my video. You need to look at the pure swing average if you want to remove the variance from the two tests.

If you're now arguing that none of the data in your log is usable because of the potential for variance in a too-small sample size of swings, I 100% agree with you.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're now arguing that none of the data in your log is usable because of the potential for variance in a too-small sample size of swings, I 100% agree with you.

As usual, you didn't read my post and are instead deflecting. You do this when you've lost. Please address my previous post if you think I am wrong, or admit defeat please.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=167

Unfortunately you are like Troxx in this respect. You just can't admit when you are wrong.

[bcbrown]

You're not treating the 1h DW calculations correctly. You're assuming 100 potential swings per 100 main-hand swings, but Stave of Shielding has 28 delay. 100 swings of epic fist at 16 delay is 160 seconds. 57 swings of SoS takes 159.6 seconds, so you'll have 57 DW chances and 28.5 successes. At 34 average damage that's 969 damage.
2700 + 969 is 3669, vs 3820 for IFS.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not treating the 1h DW calculations correctly. You're assuming 100 potential swings per 100 main-hand swings, but Stave of Shielding has 28 delay. 100 swings of epic fist at 16 delay is 160 seconds. 57 swings of SoS takes 159.6 seconds, so you'll have 57 DW chances and 28.5 successes. At 34 average damage that's 969 damage.
2700 + 969 is 3669, vs 3820 for IFS.

You forgot that the 2700 damage and the 3820 damage is at a 100% hit chance in my previous post. Please read my posts for once.

(2700 * 0.5) + 969 = 2319 damage for Epic Fist + SoS at 50% hit chance vs (3820 * 0.5) = 1910 damage from IFS at 50% hit chance.