Swarming in CoM

[zelld52]

How do you establish a camp in let’s say the arena of city of mist if a bard is swarming? I’ve run into this before- stables and temple camped. Entrance clear of mobs. Bard kiting LITERALLY EVERY OTHER CAMP in zone - swarm of 50+ mobs. Group sits and waits for 20 minutes for the kite to finish and another 5-20 minutes for respawns. Yay, fun. Thanks bards

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you establish a camp in let’s say the arena of city of mist if a bard is swarming? I’ve run into this before- stables and temple camped. Entrance clear of mobs. Bard kiting LITERALLY EVERY OTHER CAMP in zone - swarm of 50+ mobs. Group sits and waits for 20 minutes for the kite to finish and another 5-20 minutes for respawns. Yay, fun. Thanks bards

I mean...at that point its someone else's camp. No different than how you establish camp anywhere that's already actively camped...just don't. Find another spot or come back at another time. That's what I would do. Especially in a world where the population of people in exp zones is a tiny fraction of what it was like on live.

Your alternatives are:
A) communicate with that person, specify the mobs you would like to camp and ask permission if you can take over those spawns so you are working together with them and avoiding conflict.
B) contest the camp since at they can't technically claim all the spawns so to speak since camp rules dictate either line of sight or single spawn depending on zone type. At best you can probably agro as many mobs as you can CC, pull them to a single area and CC them while you kill them so they don't get pulled in when the bard starts their next swarm. If the bard is good at what they do this probably plays out like my prior post with most people giving up after only getting a couple mobs on each round of re-pops and deeming it better to just move or come back later.
C) wait for a spot to open up in the temple or stables camp and join them

[cd288]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you establish a camp in let’s say the arena of city of mist if a bard is swarming? I’ve run into this before- stables and temple camped. Entrance clear of mobs. Bard kiting LITERALLY EVERY OTHER CAMP in zone - swarm of 50+ mobs. Group sits and waits for 20 minutes for the kite to finish and another 5-20 minutes for respawns. Yay, fun. Thanks bards

The rule there is the same as if it's another group using/someone soloing multiple camps.

As the new arriving group, you're entitled to a camp. You communicate with the person/people already there and discuss which camp they want to give you. They then have to claim a single camp themselves that you can't pull from, and any other camp(s) are free for all between your group and the soloer/other group.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As the new arriving group, you're entitled to a camp. You communicate with the person/people already there and discuss which camp they want to give you. They then have to claim a single camp themselves that you can't pull from, and any other camp(s) are free for all between your group and the soloer/other group.

Exactly this. If anyone remembers the Chardok AOE groups this is how they got themselves in trouble. We came in and said we wanted to move through and camp further in and they refused, then trained us on the next pull. The puller got a suspension and the group had to disperse.

So if a bard wants to come in and own the zone, that's not going to happen unless you let them get away with it. Ask them what they're camping, tell them what you want which isn't the camp they're at...and if there's negative consequences after that then file a petition with the elf court magistrates (video evidence helps).

[eisley]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly this. If anyone remembers the Chardok AOE groups this is how they got themselves in trouble. We came in and said we wanted to move through and camp further in and they refused, then trained us on the next pull. The puller got a suspension and the group had to disperse.

So if a bard wants to come in and own the zone, that's not going to happen unless you let them get away with it. Ask them what they're camping, tell them what you want which isn't the camp they're at...and if there's negative consequences after that then file a petition with the elf court magistrates (video evidence helps).

i mean, you're not wrong, but let's be honest, the entire point of the entire scheme was to get chardok aoe nerfed from the game, not out of any genuine desire to "camp deeper inside chardok".

it is what it is, but they (i dont know if you were in the group that ended it) were pretty transparent about their goal from the beginning.

it was a shame. chardok aoe was fun. but hey, so was unrooted dragons, recharging, killing dragons with under 100 people, and about 20 other things i could list.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i mean, you're not wrong, but let's be honest, the entire point of the entire scheme was to get chardok aoe nerfed from the game, not out of any genuine desire to "camp deeper inside chardok".

it is what it is, but they (i dont know if you were in the group that ended it) were pretty transparent about their goal from the beginning.

it was a shame. chardok aoe was fun. but hey, so was unrooted dragons, recharging, killing dragons with under 100 people, and about 20 other things i could list.

That's not the fault of the group that did that. That's the fault of the AOE group being unreasonable aholes who took the bait.

[eisley]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not the fault of the group that did that. That's the fault of the AOE group being unreasonable aholes who took the bait.

I certainly can't argue with you there.

[Krinkill]

Why did they not just make chardok AOE a suspend first time ban second time offense instead of the nerf?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Krinkill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why did they not just make chardok AOE a suspend first time ban second time offense instead of the nerf?

I'm assuming if they had a ton of CSR resources they might have done this. But with limited resources it's easier to just add a mechanic that makes people unable to fully disrupt the zone in that way, such that it becomes way less efficient so people just stop doing it and therefore the CSR issues go away.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Krinkill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why did they not just make chardok AOE a suspend first time ban second time offense instead of the nerf?

There is nothing wrong with AoE groups. What is wrong is training stuff all over the place, causing chaos and interfering with other players camps. Except in raiding, maybe?