Swarming in CoM

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'd think so, but many times I've seen bards gathering 60-70+ mobs in CoM, despite their songs only being able to hit 25.

While other groups are in zone. They just run around and collect literally every mob they can, despite it being 2-3x the max mob count for songs.

Yeah, but you don't want one of the mobs to die so you're only hitting 24 mobs. I like to use my time efficiently, which is why I sit in front of a 25 year old computer game for 8 hours at a time watching my electronic action figure run in noisy circles.

[zelld52]

I never heard of anyone refer to it as electronic action figure. Thats awesome. Damn now I wanna come back

[Mendo]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah no they don't. Groups in dungeons don't have some static list of "mobs they are camping". You just pull what's available, as your group composition inevitably changes.

It's not a bad apples thing. The entire practice is inherently disruptive and annoying to like every single other player in the game.

Hey here's an idea: Don't do this at all, and you're a good apple in my book!

Your group is more deserving to the mobs than the bard or the bard and his group?

All I know is that last time I leveled in CoM there was a bard doing this. He sent me a tell and asked what I was pulling and told me what he was doing with the mobs and how they would behave on his pull. We had 0 issues all day. The only annoying part was the reaver returning home, but that honestly wasnt too big of a deal. Guy even told me to come and loothis mobs if I wanted.

[shovelquest]

This whole conversation is a rip off of atlas shrugged.

[Lorasis]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'd think so, but many times I've seen bards gathering 60-70+ mobs in CoM, despite their songs only being able to hit 25.

While other groups are in zone. They just run around and collect literally every mob they can, despite it being 2-3x the max mob count for songs.

Because as mobs drop off that 25 mob queue you're hitting (which they do, some have lower hp), new mobs rotate in. If you pull 60-70+ mobs, you're guaranteed that the songs will be hitting a full 25 mobs for a while, which increases efficiency.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by onmove_broke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not think it matters if the bard is nice or not. It's just plain stupid to swarm in CoM. There are numbers of other zones to do it. Just make it a limit of 4 mobs like all other AoE. That solves the problem real fast

My personal opinion is that it's stupid to swarm there since it's basically the only dungeon that people group in in that level range on P99. Hard enough to find workable groups as your levels progress (pre-50s of course)...so it's annoying when a Bard does it in the only grouping zone.

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by onmove_broke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not think it matters if the bard is nice or not. It's just plain stupid to swarm in CoM. There are numbers of other zones to do it. Just make it a limit of 4 mobs like all other AoE. That solves the problem real fast

For clarity there are 2 types of AoE spells:

• Targeted AoE spells are like you describe where they can land on up to 4 mobs and the AoE area is based on the target the spell/song lands on
  
• Point Blank AoE (PBAOE) spells/songs land on up to 25 mobs and the AoE area is based on the caster.

PBAoEs are not unique to the bard class, there are several classes that have PBAoE spells and could effectively kill mobs in groups of 25 at a time. Fear clearing comes to mind where groups routinely burn down mobs in groups of 25 in seconds.

People always make the argument they should go to a different zone, there are other places to swarm...well guess what, there are other places to EXP too. The other person could make just as strong of a case of why YOU should be the one to go elsewhere, nobody has more or less right to a zone than someone else.

Any zone you suggest that is the perfect zone for swarming in your mind you could search in this forum and find a thread about how bards shouldn't be able to swarm there and go somewhere else, the reality is people are going to go to the places that they can accomplish what they are trying to most effectively. That makes you and the bard you're angry at no different from each other.

The reality is this is just another of the same thread that repeats itself daily on the forum. A thread about entitlement. A thread about why I should get to have things that you shouldn't. A thread about why you should spend your time doing what I think is best for you, not what you think is best for you. Take it out to the extreme and the same points made in this thread are the same reason that casters shouldn't be allowed to cast spells, that healers shouldn't be allowed to heal, and that melee classes shouldn't be able to engage mobs at melee range. Its all nonsense.

Heres a really crazy idea that actually works! If you don't want other people killing mobs around you then keep all the mobs around you dead. You can't pull stuff that isn't there, you can't kite in an area that there is nothing to kite. Give someone an opportunity and they will take it. If you want to spend your life crying about other people taking advantage of opportunities you give them well then it sucks to suck and life is going to be real hard for you.

[zelld52]

Found the rotbrain bard.

Here’s a little equation for you.

18 people in zone, who all travelled there because it’s the only place thst people their level range are grouping.

1 bard, who is either power leveling, or is feeling anti sofial enough to run circles solo for hours.

The 18 people formed in groups of 3,4+ are the entitled ones? Not the bard. Gotcha.

Secondly. If the bard takes

[zelld52]

If the bard takes more than their songs can hit, which is far more than any group can handle at once (unless they also have a bard to kite). How on earth could you possibly compete?

I’m not talking a bard seeing that the zone is somewhat full, and heading upstairs to pull.. this is about the bards that see a group in the arena, say some shit like “well you can technically only claim one spawn outdoors, so claim one area and I , king bard will be so kind as to leave your 5 spawns off of my massive 50+ mob kite.”

Again the other players are the entitled ones by your logic. Probably because your parents didn’t love you, and you had to fight with your siblings over food availability as a child

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the bard takes more than their songs can hit, which is far more than any group can handle at once (unless they also have a bard to kite). How on earth could you possibly compete?

I’m not talking a bard seeing that the zone is somewhat full, and heading upstairs to pull.. this is about the bards that see a group in the arena, say some shit like “well you can technically only claim one spawn outdoors, so claim one area and I , king bard will be so kind as to leave your 5 spawns off of my massive 50+ mob kite.”

Again the other players are the entitled ones by your logic. Probably because your parents didn’t love you, and you had to fight with your siblings over food availability as a child

Sounds like project quarm is your lord and savior, if you can't handle other people in the same zone killing mobs as you are, than P99 or classic everquest just simply isn't the game for you. Project quarm created instances to handle all the softies that make these posts on the forums but struggle to actually play the game.

Is the problem that someone is capable of killing mobs way more efficiently than you? Would you feel differently if it was a full group of AoE casters melting the zone instead of a bard because its more than 1 person or they have to stand still while doing it?
If the people in this group in the examples given are so capable of killing so many more mobs than why were all the mobs sitting there up, and un-engaged, in the first place for the bard to tag?

I'm so sorry that someone came into the zone and took away your security blanket of 60-70 mobs that are just sitting there, not engaged, and not dying at any given time. Its a real shame they let all that wasted loot and exp be put to use, and that the developers who worked hard to create re-spawn timers actually had a purpose. I can't comprehend how such a horrible thing could occur.

Not that anyone does, because in my experience these threads are about crying not about finding solutions, but in the event anyone actually wants to learn something...CSR have commented on these threads in the past that it is acceptable to pull mobs off a kite that is more than 25 mobs when there aren't other mobs available to kill in the area. Just be aware that when you pull a mob from the heart of a kite that you are now dirty from social agro on all the other mobs around it. I don't expect that you know what that means just remember when you die that "I told you so" and no need to make another thread to cry in.