Warrior Kick / Monk Flying Kick / Rogue Backstab Calculation

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Namsaknoi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Luclin also had a lot of 'stone' mobs that had high ac also and yea it got more serious during PoP, but you will eventually log one of your 553 after a few fights. On P99 the cap seem to be somewhere in 510s or 520s and it happens really rare, almost screenshot worthy, double backstabs with identical damage is also very rare on P99, my assumption is zelld52's log line is just manually typed humor to show 1106.

1106 is definitely possible under duelist. I parsed my logs looking for the top backstab a while back and that was the max. I have never witnessed a double 1106 though. I want to see one; I even started offering a plat bounty to my guildmates if they can get a double 1106 on a raid target since March and nobody has tried to collect yet.

[7thGate]

If the numbers from my logs are representative (which they could not be for various reasons), it would be something like a 1/500 for a backstab attack to do max damage. With about 1.6 backstabs average per attempt and 3 backstabs per duelist, you end up with about a 1% chance of having a max damage backstab when you use duelist, so most rogues will get one eventually if they've played for a while and are duelisting frequently.

Getting double backstabs needs you to do 2x 1 in 500 chances at the same time, and also pass the ~60% double attack check. That's something like 1 in 416,000 attempts; its possible that has never happened on this server, or only a few times.

[Naethyn]

[Wed May 29 08:17:20 2024] You kick Neordla for 45 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 25 21:27:35 2024] You kick Derakor the Vindicator for 54 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 09 16:12:33 2024] You kick a vampiric ancille for 27 points of damage.
[Fri Jul 26 11:26:28 2024] You kick an ancient guardian for 27 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 18 12:38:44 2024] You kick a crimson claw hatchling for 25 points of damage.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the numbers from my logs are representative (which they could not be for various reasons), it would be something like a 1/500 for a backstab attack to do max damage. With about 1.6 backstabs average per attempt and 3 backstabs per duelist, you end up with about a 1% chance of having a max damage backstab when you use duelist, so most rogues will get one eventually if they've played for a while and are duelisting frequently.

Getting double backstabs needs you to do 2x 1 in 500 chances at the same time, and also pass the ~60% double attack check. That's something like 1 in 416,000 attempts; its possible that has never happened on this server, or only a few times.

Limiting my parse to just one rogue I know to be meticulous about getting buffed and only parsed at 60: he had 948 backstabs that were 553 or 1106 out of 54123 attempts (including misses); that's 1 in 57. If you throw out mobs that you can't 553 I wonder if he would get to 1 in 50, but I don't have the patience to do that right now. So maybe more like 1 in 5,000 duelists for the top rogues to get a 2x1106 double backstab.

[Vivitron]

I forgot, up to 3 attempts per duelist. So maybe like 1 in 1,500 duelists for a double 1106 if you're pushing for it.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Wed May 29 08:17:20 2024] You kick Neordla for 45 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 25 21:27:35 2024] You kick Derakor the Vindicator for 54 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 09 16:12:33 2024] You kick a vampiric ancille for 27 points of damage.
[Fri Jul 26 11:26:28 2024] You kick an ancient guardian for 27 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 18 12:38:44 2024] You kick a crimson claw hatchling for 25 points of damage.

Hmm, max kick damage is 23 according to the posted formula, so something is wrong.

[Namsaknoi]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm, max kick damage is 23 according to the posted formula, so something is wrong.

My source may not be accurate with that '5 damage' for kick, need to keep looking. For Flying Kick it may be correct though, I don't think I have seen anything higher than 144/288 with disc

[Namsaknoi]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Wed May 29 08:17:20 2024] You kick Neordla for 45 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 25 21:27:35 2024] You kick Derakor the Vindicator for 54 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 09 16:12:33 2024] You kick a vampiric ancille for 27 points of damage.
[Fri Jul 26 11:26:28 2024] You kick an ancient guardian for 27 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 18 12:38:44 2024] You kick a crimson claw hatchling for 25 points of damage.

Thanks for the logs, can I check if these are not crit hits and/or without disc?

[Namsaknoi]

I guess the likely scenario is that Warrior base Kick damage is actually 6, where max damage is 27.9, rounded down to 27, and that 54 was with Felstrike (disc), and 45 was with either crit or Felstrike.