New Meta - Revert Recharge Item Nerfs

[loramin]

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Making words great again Jimbo. I appreciataficationist it muchfullnessly.

I thought it was perfectly cromulent.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought it was perfectly cromulent.

Dont go throwing you fancy real words around now mate!

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[Naethyn]

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[Troxx]

No thanks.

Game is more interesting without recharges.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No thanks.

Game is more interesting without recharges.

How can it be more interesting when nothing changed? People just use different clickies.

Tanks swapped from mallets to scepters and instead of rampant soulfire clicks everyone packs a reaper.

It was just more unclassic changes from the supposed paragons of classic everquest.

[Snaggles]

The small guilds still benefit from over two decades of knowledge and computer tech. Voice chat wasnt even readily available until Vent was launched. Free accounts also means each person can have an entire poker hand of choices to log off/on depending on the need.

Small guilds couldn’t summon a 20 cleric chain with a couple BiS warriors to kill KT over 45 minutes, lol. They sure didnt have the same number of Bane wizards. Most large guilds didn’t even have those numbers.

The nerfed recharges are not classic and annoying. Same with rooted dragons. With enough players these days nothing is holding a big guild back except themselves or another big guild. IMHO, tweaking the code to prevent “cheating” isn’t the way. Just ban repeat offenders. That’s resulted in more raid burnout than anything else.

[roks1]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The small guilds still benefit from over two decades of knowledge and computer tech. Voice chat wasnt even readily available until Vent was launched. Free accounts also means each person can have an entire poker hand of choices to log off/on depending on the need.

Small guilds couldn’t summon a 20 cleric chain with a couple BiS warriors to kill KT over 45 minutes, lol. They sure didnt have the same number of Bane wizards. Most large guilds didn’t even have those numbers.

The nerfed recharges are not classic and annoying. Same with rooted dragons. With enough players these days nothing is holding a big guild back except themselves or another big guild. IMHO, tweaking the code to prevent “cheating” isn’t the way. Just ban repeat offenders. That’s resulted in more raid burnout than anything else.

Actually the largest setback all players face raiding is the fact that resists are not classic not even remotely, the boss level being so far above the players seems to be part of the modern (not classic) equation, whereas in the old velious days having 140 - 180 resists was more than enough for almost every single encounter. Lets not forget dragon fear is still set to resist like a Lure spell. The spell EVEN NOW on lucy modern day is MAGIC (0) check, 150 mr + or bard group would render tanks virtually immune to dragon fear or if not, susceptible for a mere tick of the effect.
Without a way to effectively resist ae's with equipment you wont have small guild strike teams like the elden days unless they are already full of equipped and fed raiders. I understand that having things be harder is a longevity idea " " but it also is a longevity decreaser because at this stage, since you can't effectively resist, a small strike crew guild of high skill players with increasingly good gear simply can't handle the requirements.

In case you doubt, remember that the hardest creature on the face of norrath is Sontalak, not Tunare or the Avatar of War. Why? AE that is procced, and is based on the position and direction of the tank -- who is feared by dragon fear the fucking stupid lure resist fear. Semper fry.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by roks1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually the largest setback all players face raiding is the fact that resists are not classic not even remotely, the boss level being so far above the players seems to be part of the modern (not classic) equation, whereas in the old velious days having 140 - 180 resists was more than enough for almost every single encounter. Lets not forget dragon fear is still set to resist like a Lure spell. The spell EVEN NOW on lucy modern day is MAGIC (0) check, 150 mr + or bard group would render tanks virtually immune to dragon fear or if not, susceptible for a mere tick of the effect.
Without a way to effectively resist ae's with equipment you wont have small guild strike teams like the elden days unless they are already full of equipped and fed raiders. I understand that having things be harder is a longevity idea " " but it also is a longevity decreaser because at this stage, since you can't effectively resist, a small strike crew guild of high skill players with increasingly good gear simply can't handle the requirements.

In case you doubt, remember that the hardest creature on the face of norrath is Sontalak, not Tunare or the Avatar of War. Why? AE that is procced, and is based on the position and direction of the tank -- who is feared by dragon fear the fucking stupid lure resist fear. Semper fry.

I agree and remember, p99 is Nintendo hard compared to live. Still, my guild never got close to killing AOW at this point in the progression. In this case the disadvantage does not hold back progression unless a guild has other issues…tactic, attendance or composition. Crank up the cleric dkp bonus until people log them in. Also resists are only a factor for a few fights, Klandi and Sont specifically.

I’d still argue a lot of toxic people ruining the fun for others has been the main issue. It’s a common trend in EQ and society in general.

[eisley]

Recharge nerf and rooted dragons ended this game for me. I have 6 pairs of puppet strings and had so much fun solo/duoing all sorts of ridiculous things with them (and sneak pulling, wort pots, slowstone amber, mallet, root nets, bladestopper, soulfire).

Both changes just made the game less fun. Functionally they had little to no effect on anything outside of making the game less fun.

Ultimately, did these un-classic nerfs make the game or more or less popular?