Best Trio That Doesn't Use Enchanter

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Rimitto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does this tactic fair at level 20? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
YOU PEOPLE always seem to forget that "BiS" doesn't automatically mean "level 60 max tov gear". If it did, it would be called "Best Raid Trio" which is a stupid argument to begin with. Start Over.

Answer: Who cares about level 20? Same goes for your KC story.

Classes aren’t even coming into their element until nearly 60. It doesn’t take long though for rangers to realize they take a lot of damage where monks, knights and warriors do not. They literally are given two jolt spells…

I know this is me coming off as an elitist prick but there are a lot of things that separate a fun trio from “the best trio” or “the best trio without charm”. Capable people with capable gear can pull off some tricks. I can often contribute more with my ranger than other classes but if we need a tank I don’t log it in. Full stop. Also, I have a comparably geared ranger and paladin…so my actual experience with them over years > your fireside story.

Outside tanking slowed stuff so the sham healer doesn’t have to torp the whole group I don’t tank stuff with the ranger. Or outside raids when I tank brilliantly for 20 seconds plus one or two extra combat rounds.

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SK does way more damage than ranger with top-tier gear. (Much better weapon availability, ie: Tuna sword, Palladius Axe, etc)

Agree to disagree. Outside some cherry picked parses or comparing a multi-AoB avatar Tuna sword SK to a generic ranger, they do less on raid bosses. Unless the ranger just doesn’t care about using the right weapons and getting buffs.

[Rimitto]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Answer: Who cares about level 20? Same goes for your KC story.

Classes aren’t even coming into their element until nearly 60.

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All iksar, start together at level 1, bigly RP lizardbros, can do well with low budget twinking or self-found, great off-meta Kunark leveling route.

There you go DSM, you finally got your Shaman in a "Best Group" hypothetical.

It's literally in the first friggin post guy. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
The very first post... The first... I know it's hard to read THE START of something, but c'mon man.... At least READ before forming an opinion based on preconceived values.

The basic premise of the question was "Best Trio" starting at level 1.
That means 20 is in play, that means karnor is in play, that means everything is in play.

I keep saying this over and over that this wasn't a "best raid group" topic, simply because that's not only a stupid argument, but also factually off topic.

"What's the best level 1 group guys?"
"WeLl U sEe PaLaDiNs ArE bEsT rAiDeRs"

That's literally, physically, and entirely the argument you guys are giving.


I'll even go further as to make a bold statement here.
Personally speaking, I view the game as "beaten" once you hit 60.
Raids, are literally just bonus content. They're no different than extra dungeons outside the main plotline of an RPG. Sure it feels good to go stomp on some sort of demi-god, but at the end of the day, defeating cthulu doesn't add any extra story.
In that same statement, the concept of "best at 60" is negligible and anecdotal itself.

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Originally Posted by Rimitto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personally speaking, I view the game as "beaten" once you hit 60.

I agree. Hell, I think it's beaten at level 50. Even so, at level 20 paladins are as good or better as tanks than SKs. 11hp lifetap vs 30hp heal. Paladins have lull, Sks have fear. Both have their aggro spell.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Rimitto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's literally in the first friggin post guy. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
The very first post... The first... I know it's hard to read THE START of something, but c'mon man.... At least READ before forming an opinion based on preconceived values.

You should read that post again.

First two lines: Clarification of thread title
The rest: OP’s suggestion.

I’m sure Toxigen started this thread concerned about balancing those first 20 levels. Breaking a derv camp is no laughing matter.

[Rimitto]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should read that post again.

First two lines: Clarification of thread title
The rest: OP’s suggestion.

I’m sure Toxigen started this thread concerned about balancing those first 20 levels. Breaking a derv camp is no laughing matter.

enchanter - enchanter - enchanter... all 60, tov gear.
solved, finished, thread over. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[Elizondo]

Paladins are so much better than SK

It's not even close

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SK does way more damage than ranger with top-tier gear. (Much better weapon availability, ie: Tuna sword, Palladius Axe, etc)

Rangers have higher stats on their offensive skills, they do more DPS with Shovel of Harvest than an SK/Pally does with Tunare sword. Ranger who wants to put the effort in can 2-hand dual wield too. Although the SK can add pet DPS a lot of the time.

Ranger is also adding +ATK buffs to a party/raid though. Their overall offensive contribution is definitely higher.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rangers have higher stats on their offensive skills, they do more DPS with Shovel of Harvest than an SK/Pally does with Tunare sword. Ranger who wants to put the effort in can 2-hand dual wield too. Although the SK can add pet DPS a lot of the time.

Ranger is also adding +ATK buffs to a party/raid though. Their overall offensive contribution is definitely higher.

Agreed. You could get away with having no knights, but having no rangers means you're missing out on juicy juicy Call of the Predator.

[fortior]

knight dps is a joke, even with palladius, lol.

make a monk tank