Which is more boring? Mage vs. Wiz

[Solist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any smaller team will want rods, aka real raiding. Ofc, it's still not an interesting job

As an expert on small man raiding, please share your secrets.

By that logic we should keep adding mages and dropping clerics for 20 man contested KT kills.

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[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By that logic we should keep adding mages and dropping clerics for 20 man contested KT kills.

That's not the logic at all. Except for Plane of Sky during pre-Kunark, LOL. The discussion was what a Mage brings to a raid. Riqueefko said rods are not valuable, but they definitely are. If a Mage is all you have to play on a server, then you're going to be spamming rods. Or even if you have another char, then any extra time you have, you'll want to be casting some before needing to log over to the other char.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not the logic at all. Except for Plane of Sky during pre-Kunark, LOL. The discussion was what a Mage brings to a raid. Riqueefko said rods are not valuable, but they definitely are. If a Mage is all you have to play on a server, then you're going to be spamming rods. Or even if you have another char, then any extra time you have, you'll want to be casting some before needing to log over to the other char.

Nah we never use rods in riot except a few encounters like aow and vyemm, I did the small raid thing before it was cool 8 years ago. Sorry it upsets you to hear we don't use them.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wizards in 2024 have sustained dps with rend robe (54dps)

Rend Robe is not 54 DPS most of the time. Resists reduce that number drastically.

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah we never use rods in riot

That's completely irrelevant. Maybe try to stop making so many worthless posts all the time.

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The mathematics of modrods make no sense compared to just having that person on a cleric. Even a level 50 cleric.

You're assuming there are an infinite number of clerics to use.

You're also wrong in the first place. A 60 Mage casting mod rods during a fight is providing the Cleric chain more mana than simply adding a 50 Cleric to the chain. The Mage is also adding DPS with their pet, so really even compared to adding a 60 Cleric to the chain, the Mage is contributing more.

PLUS, mod rods are something that can be pre-cast before a fight when there's time. Having a Mage at a raid is more beneficial than simply having another Cleric instead, assuming you already have enough Clerics to do a sufficient C-heal chain for the tank to not die between each C-heal landing.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming there are an infinite number of clerics to use.

You're also wrong in the first place. A 60 Mage casting mod rods during a fight is providing the Cleric chain more mana than simply adding a 50 Cleric to the chain. The Mage is also adding DPS with their pet, so really even compared to adding a 60 Cleric to the chain, the Mage is contributing more.

PLUS, mod rods are something that can be pre-cast before a fight when there's time. Having a Mage at a raid is more beneficial than simply having another Cleric instead, assuming you already have enough Clerics to do a sufficient C-heal chain for the tank to not die between each C-heal landing.

bro, every post you make trying to talk about the raid scene just proves further you have no idea what you're talking about

lmao...mage pets

"You're out of your element, Donny!"

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bro, every post you make trying to talk about the raid scene just proves further you have no idea what you're talking about

lmao...mage pets

"You're out of your element, Donny!"

ehh i give up he can live in fantasy world on red and i will continue raiding on my mage quadding away.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bro, every post you make trying to talk about the raid scene just proves further you have no idea what you're talking about

Nope that's you, completely ignoring the math and mechanics. You are wrong so frequently and constantly act like the singular way you play the game is best, when it's either less efficient or not how the game has to played.

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao...mage pets

They do DPS. There is nothing to "lmao" about.

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not the logic at all. Except for Plane of Sky during pre-Kunark, LOL. The discussion was what a Mage brings to a raid. Riqueefko said rods are not valuable, but they definitely are. If a Mage is all you have to play on a server, then you're going to be spamming rods. Or even if you have another char, then any extra time you have, you'll want to be casting some before needing to log over to the other char.

He has a point though, no one is asking clerics to log for mages. A KT raid only needs 1 or 2 mages making rods, beyond that everyone should be on clerics, luckily there aren't many folks who actually main mages these days so that generally there is only one or two.