Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah that's happened a few times but definitely not the workload im trying to assume as a shm in an xp group.

im also pulling, tracking spawn times, beating rogue dps, fulfilling reimbursement petitions, resolving guild disputes, poppin sick 360 no scopes, negotiating peace in the middle east and switching Biden's amphetamine cocktail with melatonin gummies



is seb king possible without a shaman? yes

is it 1000x better with a shaman? fuck yes

id take a shm over ench at seb king anytime any day even if our best dps is a paladin

but that's like the only group camp in the game where that's true

but if i can have shm and ench, also fuck yes

In seb king I’d want shaman and cleric tbh. Can turn into a shitshow fast.

[Trexller]

i fail to see how any combo of 4 casters can exceed the tanking and dps potential of ench ench ench cler

[Troxx]

500 pages!

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but if i can have shm and ench, also fuck yes

Agreed!

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i fail to see how any combo of 4 casters can exceed the tanking and dps potential of ench ench ench cler

Dps has diminishing returns, that is why having 3x Enchanters doesn't enable any new content. This is because respawn timers exist.

If you kill Fungi King in 90 seconds instead of 120 Seconds, you aren't gaining extra Fungi King kills over the duration of your camp time. You'd have to kill Fungi King 60 times in a row to get an extra spawn, which is camping him for 30 hours straight.

Level 60's are focused on getting items, not killing waves of XP mobs. As explained in the example above, you are constrained heavily by respawn timers when camping items, regardless of kill speed.

A four man caster group is already leveling very fast. There's no reason to optimize the early game, as you'll not see the same benefits in the endgame. If the group isn't planning on leveling to 60, there isn't much point in discussing group composition. Four Mages could happily chew through levels 1-40, but you wouldn't want four Mages for endgame content.

Utility is generally better on P99 for group content, as DPS requirements are not very high on most mobs/camps, excluding raid targets. This is because the game wasn't balanced around everybody having top tier gear due to the server being stuck on the same expansion for 5+ years, or decked out charmed pets.

Finally for tanking, this group doesn't have a Warrior. This means you are fighting content that is Torpor-Tankable (it is slowable). People cannot name a camp where you need to have a Cleric CH the pet due to the mob being unslowable, yet the mob is able to be killed by CHing the pet before the Cleric runs out of mana. Even if there is one or two camps out there, pocket clerics exist. A level 49 Cleric has CH and Res, and is easy to level with four level 60s.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah that's happened a few times but definitely not the workload im trying to assume as a shm in an xp group.

im also pulling, tracking spawn times, beating rogue dps, fulfilling reimbursement petitions, resolving guild disputes, poppin sick 360 no scopes, negotiating peace in the middle east and switching Biden's amphetamine cocktail with melatonin gummies

See even if I agree with your overall EQ-specific arguments, you lose all credibility when you talk like this

[Vexenu]

From 1-59, Druid and Cleric are both significantly better duo partners for an Enchanter than a Shaman. At 60, the Shaman becomes more attractive with Torpor, but is still overall weaker than the Cleric, and in many cases the Druid would still be preferred. Sorry, DSM, but that's just the way it is. Some things will never change. That's just the way it is.

*Seamless shift into musical interlude of the 1980s Bruce Hornsby classic*

[Troxx]

Funny how we keep talking about Fungi king when the only caster who will actually want to wear a fungi tunic is the class that most here agree isn’t ideal for the group.

Truly giggle worthy

[Jimjam]

Surely, a four man caster group may be focused on getting xp? They have two slots open to rent out to 50s toons wanting to level fast. This is only partially hypothetical- remember Chardok bridge?

[Elizondo]

Imagine not willing to admit you are wrong for 2 years

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine not willing to admit you are wrong for 2 years

It is indeed tragic. I can back up my arguments with evidence for two years. In two years the pro Cleric side still can't provide evidence to suport their claims, and they have more people. You'd think they would be able to provide something over this timescale.