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Old 01-15-2024, 03:11 PM
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Do you have regrowth on? If not, and no fungi, and not a troll, that’s approx 1.5 the effect of C2.

Do you have at least soft capped Wisdom? (Not you, but figuratively others). If not, bring say 60 wisdom under cap is about three casts of Turgurs or Torp.

There are a lot of trope statements about shaman gearing and most should have an asterisk. Fact is most players spend more time buffing, debuffing, and healing. Iksars have the most starting Wis. They don’t need bear or shrink to navigate a lot of places. It’s a helluva hill solo without an epic or JBB but they also don’t die from getting stuck in stairs, ladders, or doorways. That is is a frequent memory of leveling my troll shaman. More so than the bash-spell interrupts that resulted in a death.

If I could wave a wand and change my sham into another race it would prob be an iksar. Those wands don’t exist tho.
Troll/Iksar Regeneration gives you 4800 HP per hour over Barbarians/Ogres at level 60, assuming you are never at 100% HP. That's all it is doing.

4800 HP per hour is the equivalent of 3-4 Torpors per hour, depending on if your Torpor ticks 4 times or 5. This is 540-720 Mana per hour with Alteration Specialization.

If you want to compare Troll/Iksar Regeneration to a mana buff, it is basically the equivalent of Flowing Thought I on a Torpor Shaman. Realistically it is less than that, because a Torpor Shaman played efficiently is going to be at 100% HP and Mana when they are out of combat. I assume you want to play your character efficiently if you are worried about which racial is best.

All HP/Mana Regeneration is helpful. Nobody is denying that. FSI is simply more helpful, because surviving the pre-slow phase of a hard fight is more beneficial than saving 1.5-2 minutes (realistically less) on recovery per hour. Unfortunately Troll/Iksar Regeneration is too slow to typically be useful in terms of surviving a tough fight at level 60. Troll/Iksar HP Regeneration gives you a non-zero percent increase in survivability, but so does FSI, and FSI's non-zero percent increase in survivability is higher. That's why FSI is better on Shamans with Torpor. It's really that simple.

When it comes to size issues, Shamans can make Shrink Pots, which work both indoors and outdoors. They can also cast Shrink indoors. Iksars have a small benefit on a few raid targets by being naturally smaller, but normally size issues are easy to fix on a Shaman if they are a problem for you. Zone knowledge also helps. The longer you play a big race, typically the better you get at knowing where the problem areas are.
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Old 01-15-2024, 03:14 PM
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Troll/Iksar Regeneration gives you 4800 HP per hour over Barbarians/Ogres at level 60, assuming you are never at 100% HP. That's all it is doing.

4800 HP per hour is the equivalent of 3-4 Torpors per hour, depending on if your Torpor ticks 4 times or 5. This is 540-720 Mana per hour with Alteration Specialization.

If you want to compare Troll/Iksar Regeneration to a mana buff, it is basically the equivalent of Flowing Thought I on a Torpor Shaman. Realistically it is less than that, because a Torpor Shaman played efficiently is going to be at 100% HP and Mana when they are out of combat. I assume you want to play your character efficiently if you are worried about which racial is best.

All HP/Mana Regeneration is helpful. Nobody is denying that. FSI is simply more helpful, because surviving the pre-slow phase of a hard fight is more beneficial than saving 1.5-2 minutes (realistically less) on recovery per hour. Unfortunately Troll/Iksar Regeneration is too slow to typically be useful in terms of surviving a tough fight. It gives you a non-zero percent increase in survivability, but so does FSI, and that non-zero percent is higher. That's why FSI is better on Shamans with Torpor. It's really that simple.


fact is most players will benefit from regen...not everyone is a torpor solo artist
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Old 01-15-2024, 03:21 PM
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fact is most players will benefit from regen...not everyone is a torpor solo artist
Agreed. I said as much in my guide, and earlier in this thread (multiple times). If you think you'll never reach level 60 or get Torpor, Troll/Iksar Regeneration is better than FSI.

But I caution against assuming you will never reach level 60, because P99 is a long game. When you play a character for years, your ideas on what your character will do may change.

Picking the Min/Max option on character creation (assuming you will reach level 60 with Torpor, Epic, Raid Gear, etc.) is the safest bet for anybody who isn't sure what their character will look like in a year or two.

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Obviously you do not think Troll/Iksar Regeneration is required to have a good time while leveling. You have a Barbarian Shaman yourself. As an Ogre Shaman myself I agree. You can level a Barbarian/Ogre Shaman just fine, and have fun doing so.
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