Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[Leokaiser]

I have no stake in this matter, and barely know anyone involved, but it is interesting reading. I imagine it would be obvious to most people looking with an objective eye that if one disagrees with the sentiments expressed by Bauman, Yendor and Skope regarding the behaviour of the top raid guilds, then you probably are indeed a bit of a dick.

The 'moral highground' is no where near as subjective as some might wish to proclaim in order to excuse their own behaviour. Moral values are generally set by the majority, sometimes producing undesirable behavioural patterns, but most of the time people find it easy to tell what is right and what isn't. Here, it is glaringly clear that that the tactics the top guilds apply against each other (and the rest) are not fit to fill a shit sandwich.

This has nothing to do with winners and losers. If you think people only disagree with using 'low' tactics because they see winners using them and they jelly, guess again - your moral values aren't different because you are a winner, they are different because it suits you to be an asshat. There is a destinction.

Obligatory analogy time.

Most people lacking money will envy a rich man, but if that man became rich through talent or sheer hard work, most sensible people wouldn't grudge him his wealth and he would be respected for his success. However, if the same man wants to become richer through stealing, he wouldn't say to those who decry this theft "you wouldn't complain about stealing if you had all the money too", and any respect he had before would go out the window.

Now I'm not accusing any raid guilds of 'theft', per se, but to say that people only think dick move is dick because they ain't getting the lewtz, really? Really really?

I'm actually quite surprised that people have been trying to defend this sorry state of affairs, rather than just be brazen about it, as is usually the case here.