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Old 11-10-2009, 08:10 PM
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Because what's the use of playing a MMO if it's just going to be you playing with yourself.
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Old 11-10-2009, 08:57 PM
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why
Because to me it indicates that there are actually players doing what I saw in this game originally which is to be 1/6th of the whole and see how my actions and those of my group influence the success or failure of the whole in a very challenging world.

There are way better console games out there so not sure why you would ever pick EQ.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:27 PM
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things people didnt mention yet.

if boxing was allowed. you would get:

-alts parked at rare named spawns
- every camp, camped. people now need a group for some spots. 80% more places open up to solo if you could box.
- ports, rezzes.... they lose a lot of their value. people make a druid. yes i say make, because they probably wont even play it. they just let it tag along until it can port.
- you get stuff like.... oh i'll log on my llvl 50 to buff up our entire group and let it sit on the side for whenever things get a little rough
- every low level xp group with a high level boxed enchanter on the side handing out c2 to the casters... makes it unrealisticly easy.
- trading between your characters would be instantly back. might as well get the shared bank back too.
- oh i'm killing level 35+ mobs here. lets have lvl 1 alts at the side for when a box of abu-kar drops. or any other lore item for that matter. first alt got the box? log it off... make a new alt. sit that one down next to me. get the picture?

it hurts the game in many ways. it totally changes the economy and how rare some items now are.

Boxing needs to stay out
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Old 11-12-2009, 12:11 AM
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- oh i'm killing level 35+ mobs here. lets have lvl 1 alts at the side for when a box of abu-kar drops. or any other lore item for that matter. first alt got the box? log it off... make a new alt. sit that one down next to me. get the picture?
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h8 boxing 8(
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Old 11-12-2009, 01:12 AM
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Your argument is weak. Here are some alternate responses to what you said, to save anyone the trouble of responding.

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-alts parked at rare named spawns
Guilds perma-camping rare named spawns, with a huge difference. They will not be selling the rare drops as often. Less rare items in game you or others may want, so less available to buy. Market controlled, so that all rares will have much higher prices. Not seeing your arguement, other than you want to be in group farming said items.
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- every camp, camped. people now need a group for some spots. 80% more places open up to solo if you could box.
People need a group. You get a group or you don't get to play. Solo much lately? How's that working for you?
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- ports, rezzes.... they lose a lot of their value. people make a druid. yes i say make, because they probably wont even play it. they just let it tag along until it can port.
Tried to get a port or a rez lately? Less boxers, means less total number of porters and rezzers. The server population does not support people spending full time porting or running zone to zone rezzing.
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- you get stuff like.... oh i'll log on my llvl 50 to buff up our entire group and let it sit on the side for whenever things get a little rough
Done many CRs in a dungeon lately?
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- every low level xp group with a high level boxed enchanter on the side handing out c2 to the casters... makes it unrealisticly easy.
So it is really not about boxers, it is about making the game as difficult as possible for everyone. Afterall if you have to go up hill to school in the snow, everyone should too, right?
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- trading between your characters would be instantly back. might as well get the shared bank back too.
Not seeing your point here? Run out of things to rant about?
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- oh i'm killing level 35+ mobs here. lets have lvl 1 alts at the side for when a box of abu-kar drops. or any other lore item for that matter. first alt got the box? log it off... make a new alt. sit that one down next to me. get the picture?
And you don't have an alt logged off to loot a box for you, in case an extra one drops? I will try and remember to follow you around and loot the rots to sell. Not seeing your point here, other than you have plenty of plat, and don't need more.

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Boxing needs to stay out
I have argued my side before. Your viewpoints are a bit skewed.

I am all for boxing. But I am content without it.

They need to agressively enforce the ban of violators who box.

If you are going to make a strong argument against boxing, get it right. No more weak sauce.

Here, I fixed your list:

-It is not fair, that one person can play 2 characters and camp something meant for two or more people. That takes away the adventure, the teamwork, the thrill of the hunt. The joy of the kill.
-Its not fair to gather a group of several people, fight for 2 hours to get to a camp deep in a zone, to find some ass (who did not answer camp checks) camping the same spawn he has been at for the last 4 days. Only to see he is the only one selling the loot from that camp at twice the price it used to go for.
-It sucks to not be able to find a port or a rez when you needed, because the only porters or rezzers are boxers and they are asses. Sucks having people on the server who do not help others.
-Its sucks being the rejected "shaman, druid, chanter" from the group because they are not needed, because someones high level alt is constantly buffing so group invite requests are ignored. Why invite someone who provides no value added?
-If everyone can have a chanter alt to buff the group, we might as well just give out FT20 gear to everyone. Once again, who needs the chanter LFG, if they provide no benefit. If you want that, there is the EZ server a few slots up in the server selection list.
-The challenge of dropping that item on the ground, hoping you don't go LD, when there is noone to trade with, and get back in before it poofs would be gone. There would be no reason to have friends, guildies, or to try and trust a noob to hold an item and earn a few plat. Where is the fun in taking away helping others in needs?
-Getting an extra abu-kar drop is so nice, when you can make someones day and allow them to loot one. It is nice to help others. How many alts do you need with boxes anyways?

There are some good valid arguments for being against boxing. I can argue it either way, but I can make a much stronger argument against. Even though I would rather be able to box myself.

Haynar
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Old 11-12-2009, 03:14 AM
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simply claimng something is weak. doesnt make it weak.
you not being able to see the point... well, maybe thats your lack of ability.

the points i made are clear. if you dont see the point. open your eyes.

I'm not ranting at all. dont even know what i should be ranting about. boxing isnt in the game, so why should i rant at all.
You're the one trying to flame/rant my post, probably just to increase your post count or whatever.

You fail hard in trying to break down my arguments. just saying it isnt so and lacking to see and understand the points i mentioned. thats just your shortcoming.

If you cant even see how having 2 characters online at the same time makes trading between your own characters easy again and might as well return the shared bank...
well.... sorry, but you just to stupid to try and make you see the point.

And yes I like the game to remain hard. You want every crushbone group fully buffed with lvl 50 spells and have 4 lvl 50s sit next to the 6 lvl 10s ??

I'm done. I realy think you playing the wrong game. Try wow. I heard that pretty easy. and they let you box.

goodbye.


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"Solo much lately? How's that working for you?" lvl 29 to 39. solo. and a little bit of duo with a friend now and then. worked great. enjoyed it. thx for asking.
"Tried to get a port or a rez lately?" yep. I actually have friends. and think ahead before asking for help. you make sure the guy helping you isnt gonna have to wait or have to do major running himself if you're the one wanting a lazy port. I play a druid myself. If someone is standing at a druid ring and i'm not to far from one myself. good chance I'm porting the guy. But a lot of people fail to see the part where the druid has to do the running after the port took place.

"And you don't have an alt logged off to loot a box for you, in case an extra one drops? I will try and remember to follow you around and loot the rots to sell. Not seeing your point here, other than you have plenty of plat, and don't need more."
You dont see the point here? oh man, ok i'll try to explain it to ya. there is a timer on the corpses ya know. its much easier to store them on an alt and do the trading/selling/giving away later when you're standing in north freeport at the bank. instead of making it a race against time after shouting in ooc.
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Old 11-12-2009, 11:22 AM
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Actually he pretty much dismantled all your flawed arguments.

I feel pretty much the same as Haynar. I would like 2 boxing but I am fine without it. Honestly its not me (shaman) who suffers from lack of two boxing its the 7 or so classes that cannot effectively solo that do.

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I'm done. I realy think you playing the wrong game. Try wow. I heard that pretty easy. and they let you box.
You could 2 box on eq 4 years before wow was launched.

And yes, blatant 2 boxers should be punished. Matahari two boxed his mage/cleric to 50, now he can often been seen pling a shadow knight. He says its his wife's character.... maybe she does play sometimes.. but watch him fight for 5 minutes and see what you think.
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Old 11-12-2009, 11:32 AM
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Boxahari two boxed his mage/cleric to 50, now he can often been seen pling a shadow knight.
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Old 11-12-2009, 01:03 PM
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If you want to box then start up your own EMU Server... You can play with 20 box characters, create your own guild, kill all the cool dragons and /pizza yourself all night long. Don't forget to create your own forums and make a flames section so you can keep yourself occupied at work or while sleeping.

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Old 11-12-2009, 01:18 PM
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If you want to box then start up your own EMU Server... You can play with 20 box characters, create your own guild, kill all the cool dragons and /pizza yourself all night long. Don't forget to create your own forums and make a flames section so you can keep yourself occupied at work or while sleeping.
If you don't want to read a discussion you shouldn't visit a forum. You can always make your own forum and have 0 threads, not create your own thread(s), not kill any time, and still /pizza yourself when no one is around.


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