I did give red a try...

[Raclen]

I don't know why people think red 2.0 is a good idea. It is like hoping an abusive relationship gets better. There are actual good pvp servers launching every year that don't have any of these problems and the coding itself is better than red99.

Quarm should have been a lesson that you don't have to be tied to a project 1999 server and Quarm isn't even good coding. The client project 1999 and Quarm uses are trash.