Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When VP is released and the 30 guilds that "don't matter" stack up their naked ogres in front of the ramp, we'll find out for sure.

I was asking Miley because if they are deliberately ganking mobs leapfrogging or killing mobs they have no need for just to starve other guilds it kind of fits the definition of griefing, no?

[God-King Abacab]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL;DR that massive wall of bullshit text you quoted.

Well at least you're aware that what you type is bullshit, and a massive wall at that.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by God-King Abacab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well at least you're aware that what you type is bullshit, and a massive wall at that.

Eh, not really. Pretty sure a lot of people feel the same way about what I posted. I just thought it'd be funny to call myself out. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But what's going on now is certainly not "taking the high road" as was claimed. At any rate, to Karsten... thank you for at least listening/reading.

[karsten]

well, again, I enjoy a harmonious atmosphere as much as the next guy, but I'm sensing that you still don't want to respect the fact that "playing fair" or "moral" as it pertains to your understanding is different than someone elses, and at the end of the day I answer to the people in my guild rather than to the ones in yours.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was asking Miley because if they are deliberately ganking mobs leapfrogging or killing mobs they have no need for just to starve other guilds it kind of fits the definition of griefing, no?

And all i was poking fun at was the fact that an army of naked ogres could literally wall off Veeshan's Peak using the elite skills of this server.. Sitting more than 15 at the spawn point. Being first to engage. Discouraging (hell eliminating) leapfrogging. And yes, you could keep sending bard n monk trains of skyfire mobs to flush them out, but if enough people were still waiting with ogres.. I mean.. It'd take a lot of Larrikam Masks and sow potions.. but properly buffed with reinforcements in tow..

It would be some serious ironing.

[druziil]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And all i was poking fun at was the fact that an army of naked ogres could literally wall off Veeshan's Peak using the elite skills of this server.. Sitting more than 15 at the spawn point. Being first to engage. Discouraging (hell eliminating) leapfrogging. And yes, you could keep sending bard n monk trains of skyfire mobs to flush them out, but if enough people were still waiting with ogres.. I mean.. It'd take a lot of Larrikam Masks and sow potions.. but properly buffed with reinforcements in tow..

It would be some serious ironing.

Except the only people that would really be interested in wasting that much of their time just to fuck over other guilds, are the people who are getting VP keys.

[karsten]

druziil makes a valid point!

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well, again, I enjoy a harmonious atmosphere as much as the next guy, but I'm sensing that you still don't want to respect the fact that "playing fair" or "moral" as it pertains to your understanding is different than someone elses, and at the end of the day I answer to the people in my guild rather than to the ones in yours.

Because your definition of playing fair or taking the moral high ground includes the caveats "unless it makes us miss out on a raid target" and "so long as the rules specifically do not prohibit it."

The leadership of TR makes these decisions. You lead the guild, the guild does not lead you. You could end the douchebaggery TODAY if you started holding members of your guild accountable for that higher road. But you choose not to, which means that higher road Xzerion mentioned is just all talk. Disappointing as hell... but it is what it is. If you need a set of rules to tell you what is or isn't a dick move to another guild, then I guess there's no point in trying to hold you accountable for the "higher road" claim if all the roads look the same to you.

[karsten]

ok but we're going around in circles now, because you keep focusing on other guilds adhering to your understanding of a moral high ground and I keep pointing out why that's categorically impractical

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ok but we're going around in circles now, because you keep focusing on other guilds adhering to your understanding of a moral high ground and I keep pointing out why that's categorically impractical

Yeah except it's not. You keep hiding behind this fake-wall of "BUT WE DONT KNOW WHATS MORAL OR NOT".

There's really no point in continuing this discussion. Everyone else gets it, and Karsten is wanting to "play stupid" as an excuse for training and leap frogging.

There's some gray area there, sure - but it's nowhere near as wide as you're pretending it to be.

<Philosopher>
You cannot control other people's actions - only your own. Everyone has to be the example that they want other people to be. When you do douchey things because someone else did them, you're a lesser person because of it, and you've allowed them to control you.

Pick YOUR high ground. Don't worry if Guild A wouldn't pick it. Make the effort to be more morally higher than others. Kill them with kindness. Who cares if you lose some pixels? At least you're not swimming in a bag of vinegar.
</Philosopher>