People for Biden are starting to get meaningless

[Ooloo]

Nobody really has a problem with trans people (at least I don't) outside of:

1) the involvement of children in completely unproven and experimental, irreversible medical procedures before they are old enough to even consent to getting a tattoo.

2) the encroachment of trans ideology into women's spaces and women's rights, which were hard-fought victories over decades that are now being erased by the narcissism of confused men

Those seem like pretty legitimate concerns to me, but people love to just lump it all together and act like if you have a problem with men changing in front of young girls at the local ymca that means you hate gay people or something. It's idiotic.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by grims [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://youtu.be/arw1pcqLI_M?t=42

Can you name a single award winning movie about a trans anything made in hollywood in the last 20 years?

I don't understand how the idea of trans people is always this deeply imbedded in your subconscious. If woke ideology is the enemy min wage (7.50 USD) would be the gold standard, monday 9-5 would not exist, your daughters and wives would have no repercussion if they got sexually assaulted at work etc.

Some things benefit society without you having to make it out like you are a permanent victim

recourse

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by grims [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://youtu.be/arw1pcqLI_M?t=42

Can you name a single award winning movie about a trans anything made in hollywood in the last 20 years?

If was a joke

And award winning? Most of what Hollywood has put out in the last 20 years has been hot garbage regardless of who’s in it

[grims]

Be honest why do you even care about trans people? It does not involve you on any level. Why on earth would you think making a big govt program to regulate the genders of children is of any use.

Maybe it would be better if we had less gay / trans kids killing themselves which is already more than 4x more likely just being supported by their parents and family.

If the child is not being forced/ coerced its not abuse and forcing them to try and identify another way / sending them to a conversion camp is.

Kids should not be literally killing themselves so some angry conservatives can make trigger word talking points while railing on them for choices that are between themselves / their parents not some big govt program

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by grims [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Be honest why do you even care about trans people? It does not involve you on any level. Why on earth would you think making a big govt program to regulate the genders of children is of any use.

Maybe it would be better if we had less gay / trans kids killing themselves which is already more than 4x more likely just being supported by their parents and family.

If the child is not being forced/ coerced its not abuse and forcing them to try and identify another way / sending them to a conversion camp is.

Kids should not be literally killing themselves so some angry conservatives can make trigger word talking points while railing on them for choices that are between themselves / their parents not some big govt program

And then we pivot to the fact that HRT/SRS are covered by Medicaid in almost every state and the dance continues.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by grims [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Be honest why do you even care about trans people? It does not involve you on any level. Why on earth would you think making a big govt program to regulate the genders of children is of any use.

Maybe it would be better if we had less gay / trans kids killing themselves which is already more than 4x more likely just being supported by their parents and family.

If the child is not being forced/ coerced its not abuse and forcing them to try and identify another way / sending them to a conversion camp is.

Kids should not be literally killing themselves so some angry conservatives can make trigger word talking points while railing on them for choices that are between themselves / their parents not some big govt program

Laws against child abuse are not a "big government program", they're just laws. Banning the use of exogenous hormones and "gender affirming" (one of the most disgusting euphemisms in modern history) surgeries for minors is a perfectly sane and reasonable extension of the laws against child abuse already on the books.

It's always this retreat into "hey its between the kid and the doctor!!" which you'd never apply to, say, a kid who wants to cut his arm off or be given leg extensions so he's 6 feet tall.

There is absolutely zero credible, non-partisan peer-reviewed long-term studies showing that this helps *anyone*, much less kids. The only "studies" available are always conveniently conducted by activist organizations who employ completely flawed and limited methodologies to gin up some vaneer of scientific credibility, and people such as yourself are falling for it.

You don't have to be a "conservative" to oppose the totally unethical medical abuse of children and the obliteration of women's rights.

[grims]

Except there are.

https://www.hrc.org/news/family-acceptance-saves-lives

LGBTQ youth whose families affirm their gender identity and sexual orientation are almost 50 percent less likely to make a suicide attempt compared to those whose families are unsupportive.

Laws of regulation whether you like it or not is what you gents like to call big govt.

The crazy straw man argument you just made makes legit 0 sense btw. There are no parents supporting a child cutting off their own limbs.

There are parents who do not want to see children take their own lives supporting their children.

[grims]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5127283/ <--- more pier reviewed studies on parents accepting a Childs identity stopping children from committing suicide / attempting to do so.

[Ooloo]

Also if by "conversion camp" you mean a hospital where they literally convert boys into girls and vice-versa using frankenstein-level medical procedures and hormones that the natural body is not even remotely designed to tolerate, I agree that is bad and shouldn't be done.

Seriously the "conversion therapy" charge leveled against people who literally just want to leave kids alone is so beyond insane.

[Ooloo]

Yes, again, "studies" conducted by activists with completely flawed methodologies.

Gee, I wonder if you ask somebody five seconds after they get the thing they want if they're happy about it- will they say yes?

We need robust studies with huge sample sizes, conducted over a period of decades with regular follow ups to make any declaration about the efficacy of this stuff. AKA actual science, not quackery.