sk starting points

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Stats matter = they can be measured and do make a literal difference (to a point)
Largely irrelevant = it won’t allow you to do or not do anything.

If a handicap is defined as a statistical disadvantage (or even a carry weight to encumbrance), Crede is correct. If he means the inability to perform a task at all he’s more likely wrong. I 100% understood at the first because he seems to approach this game logically.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stats matter = they can be measured and do make a literal difference (to a point)
Largely irrelevant = it won’t allow you to do or not do anything.

If a handicap is defined as a statistical disadvantage (or even a carry weight to encumbrance), Crede is correct. If he means the inability to perform a task at all he’s more likely wrong. I 100% understood at the first because he seems to approach this game logically.

If having 80 STR vs. 100 STR is a significant handicap, then starting stats are NOT irrelevant.

You can't have it both ways. I am all for nuance in argument, but this is simply a logical inconsistency.

A nuanced argument would look like this:

"Starting stats are irrelevant for a number of class/race combinations. For example, Troll Shadowknights already have enough STR/STA to be successful, even without starting stats. Therefore, starting stats are irrelevant for Troll Shadowknights.

However, a Gnome Warrior starts with 60 STR. This is a significant handicap, and therefore starting stats are NOT irrelevant for them. You need to put X points into STR as a Gnome Warrior, otherwise you will run in to non-trivial issues".

Factually speaking, even a Gnome Warrior can achieve 150+ Strength with cheap EC gear. This means the nuanced argument example I gave above is not actually true for any player who can twink their Gnome Warrior.

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Who added the word “significant”? The OP asked about starting stats on an Iksar. I’m pretty sure we all agreed on page 1 it didn’t really matter.

I’m out. You win.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who added the word “significant”? The OP asked about starting stats on an Iksar. I’m pretty sure we all agreed on page 1 it didn’t really matter.

I’m out. You win.

I agree, OP will not run into any significant issues due to starting stat allocation. This is especially true as a twinked character.

INT is the hardest stat to cap on a Shadowknight, and therefore the best choice for your starting stats. This is because you will receive the benefit from this choice for the entire lifespan of your character. You will never run into the situation where the stat has become capped.

If you put 20 points into STR, and your STR is sometimes at 290/255, this means your starting stat allocation has become useless for certain periods of your character's lifespan. For STR specifically, it is extremely easy to cap well before you have full BiS gear. Avatar + Focus of Spirit + Maniacal Strength is giving you +235 STR. This means you can cap STR on a naked Gnome Warrior simply with buffs.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, OP will not run into any significant issues due to starting stat allocation. This is especially true as a twinked character.

INT is the hardest stat to cap on a Shadowknight, and therefore the best choice for your starting stats. This is because you will receive the benefit from this choice for the entire lifespan of your character. You will never run into the situation where the stat has become capped.

If you put 20 points into STR, and your STR is sometimes at 290/255, this means your starting stat allocation has become useless for certain periods of your character's lifespan. For STR specifically, it is extremely easy to cap well before you have full BiS gear. Avatar + Focus of Spirit + Maniacal Strength is giving you +235 STR. This means you can cap STR on a naked Gnome Warrior simply with buffs.

I disagree, with my Magelo posted I can’t max sta, I can int with bard and e tho .

Edit: it would be even worse without starting points in sta.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree, with my Magelo posted I can’t max sta, I can int with bard and e tho .

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:EruditeSKMan

You can cap both STR and STA on a BiS Erudite SK without buffs. Starting stats were 15 points into INT, and 5 points into AGI to get the 75 AGI minimum. This Magelo also has enough DEX to cap with Avatar.

If you can STR and STA cap an Erudite without buffs, you can do the same with a Dark Elf.

INT is still not capped, which means you are still benefiting from the starting stats. It is true you can get an INT buff, but you will be at a higher INT than other SK's if you choose to decline an INT buff for whatever reason.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:EruditeSKMan

You can cap both STR and STA on a BiS Erudite SK without buffs. Starting stats were put into INT, and 5 points were put into AGI to get them to the 75 AGI minimum. This means you can do the same on a Dark Elf. This Magelo also has enough DEX to cap with Avatar.

As you can see, INT is still not capped. This means you can make use of an INT buff. You don't need STR or STA buffs at all on this Erudite SK.

I'm saying right now with more gear than most get I can't cap sta but I can int wirh e and a bard

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm saying right now with more gear than most get I can't cap sta but I can int wirh e and a bard

That is not relevant to be honest. I can show that you can cap STR and STA, which means putting your starting stats into INT is going to give you a benefit for a longer period of your character's life cycle. I cannot control how you choose to gear your character, or which race you choose.

If you agree that starting stats are irrelevant, you are also admitting an extra 104 HP is not going to be significant. In your case, it is only 21 HP since you are 4 STA short.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not relevant to be honest. I can show that you can cap STR and STA, which means putting your starting stats into INT is going to give you a benefit for a longer period of your character's life cycle. I cannot control how you choose to gear your character, or which race you choose.

If you agree that starting stats are irrelevant, you are also admitting an extra 104 HP is not going to be significant. In your case, it is only 21 HP since you are 4 STA short.

No I’m saying sta is harder than int to cap as someone with a significantly more gear than most get as a DE. Not everyone wants to be ugly. It’s not even debatable I posted my stats and gear. I’m telling you straight up. Maybe different for other races but for DE.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No I’m saying sta is harder than int to cap as someone with a significantly more gear than most get as a DE.

This is factually not true: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:EruditeSKMan

You can cap STR and STA on an Erudite/Dark Elf SK with just BiS gear, and no buffs. I have the proof.

You simply need another BiS item to cap your STA, and there are multiple options for you. Vulak arms are a great example.

If you want something easier to obtain, https://wiki.project1999.com/Onyx_Chain_Sleeves will work for you too.