NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Held accountable for what? You're allowed to think that the results of an election weren't legitimate and opine as such. Dems do it all the time (see: stacey abrahms). And on jan 6th he specifically encouraged his supporters to be peaceful (the vast majority of which were), then told them to go home.

I don't even like him but the jan 6th "insurrection" narrative is so retarded I'm forced to rebuke it.

Funny how you conveniently leave out the fake electors efforts, which is what he is going to get charged for. Moron.

As far as "opining as such" there's been witness testimony already that Trump knew he'd lost and there wasn't widespread fraud. As a result, there are definitely legal theories that can hold someone accountable for the events on January 6th because there are definite limits to free speech, especially when it comes to assaults on our democracy by a guy who wants to be a dictator. But I doubt that's what they go after him for. I bet they will just do the fake electors because that evidence is already completely obvious (including written emails from people saying they know they're just making up a fake slate of electors) such that it will be an open and shut case with an easy conviction.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't think the liberals want trump on the ballot then you are very uneducated about politics. The DNC is salivating at the thought of him being the nominee, why do you think they don't mind if the trial gets postponed until after the election?

He is far and away the easiest Republican candidate for Biden to beat, as evidenced by 2020 where Biden didn't even have to run a campaign. GOP leadership hates it because then there's no way to force Biden to actually defend policy and get into the weeds on things where he might stumble or say incoherent statements...all he has to do is let Trump talk and list off all the negative things about Trump and the Dems win again. GOP needs someone else to win the nomination in order to have a shot.

Terrible post

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-barre...ndment-1812648

U.S. States Urged To Block Donald Trump From 2024 Run

Two advocacy groups have written to officials in several states urging them to bar Donald Trump from running as a presidential candidate for allegedly inciting an insurrection.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/re...4th-amendment/

The case for Donald Trump’s disqualification under the 14th Amendment

Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted after the Civil War as a mechanism to protect American democracy from those disloyal to the Constitution. It bars from office any person who swore an “oath … to support the Constitution of the United States” as a federal or state officer and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,” unless Congress removes the disqualification by a two-thirds vote of each house.

Yea they are salivating for Trump to run against Biden and risk a 2016 repeat. Especially after he's stated as one of his main platforms that he's going to completely dismantle the Deep State if he wins. We got it.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Terrible post

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-barre...ndment-1812648



https://www.citizensforethics.org/re...4th-amendment/



Yea they are salivating for Trump to run against Biden and risk a 2016 repeat. Especially after he's stated as one of his main platforms that he's going to completely dismantle the Deep State if he wins. We got it.

So...in response to me talking about federal democratic leadership you link...a random opinion piece and an article talking about two random advocacy groups. Thank you for sending two things that have nothing to do with what I was talking about (e.g., the desires of Dem leadership at the federal level).

Edit: Deleted my last sentence because it was uncalled for of me to say about you.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny how you conveniently leave out the fake electors efforts, which is what he is going to get charged for. Moron.

As far as "opining as such" there's been witness testimony already that Trump knew he'd lost and there wasn't widespread fraud. As a result, there are definitely legal theories that can hold someone accountable for the events on January 6th because there are definite limits to free speech, especially when it comes to assaults on our democracy by a guy who wants to be a dictator. But I doubt that's what they go after him for. I bet they will just do the fake electors because that evidence is already completely obvious (including written emails from people saying they know they're just making up a fake slate of electors) such that it will be an open and shut case with an easy conviction.

Just to elaborate further on the Jan 6th speech part, this is one of the key phrases "you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. . . . And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore."

As a lawyer, I can say that this combined with testimony that Trump was aware of what he was doing (and that people in the crowd had weapons) does carry solid legal weight. It outweighs an argument that he at one point said "peaceful"...legally speaking that doesn't absolve someone of the affects of their inflammatory rhetoric when the testimony shows you know you're pushing false claims using it.

But at any rate like I said above I would be surprised if the special counsel really focuses on that. You already have the fake electors stuff which Trump was completely aware of and endorsed and is an inarguable attempt to subvert an election. Like, it's not even debatable from a legal perspective. If they charge him for that the trial will be pretty quick and easy...so as a prosecutor you don't even need to get into the tangle of whether or not his speech on Jan 6th was inflammatory etc. You've already nailed him as is.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Terrible post

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-barre...ndment-1812648



https://www.citizensforethics.org/re...4th-amendment/

Yea they are salivating for Trump to run against Biden and risk a 2016 repeat. Especially after he's stated as one of his main platforms that he's going to completely dismantle the Deep State if he wins. We got it.

Chief Justice Roberts observed that "[t]he people do not vote for the 'Officers of the United States.'"

[Landroval]

Who are the Deep State, and what do they do?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Landroval [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who are the Deep State, and what do they do?

Oh can we also add this question: If Trump will "dismantle the Deep State" if he wins, why isn't this "Deep State" dismantled already? It's not like he was never President, he was for 4 years.

That's the thing with all this Trump stuff this time around. MAGA morons going "oh if Trump wins he's gonna do X. He's gonna do Y. He's gonna do Z"...he said the same crap first time around and didn't do any of it. When are people going to realize this grifter is just going to say whatever he needs to in order to rile up his base to vote for him again?

In the meantime, he's taking your political donations and lining his own personal pockets with them to fund his own lifestyle. Get out of the cult MAGA boys.

[Landroval]

Yep

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh can we also add this question: If Trump will "dismantle the Deep State" if he wins, why isn't this "Deep State" dismantled already? It's not like he was never President, he was for 4 years.

That's the thing with all this Trump stuff this time around. MAGA morons going "oh if Trump wins he's gonna do X. He's gonna do Y. He's gonna do Z"...he said the same crap first time around and didn't do any of it. When are people going to realize this grifter is just going to say whatever he needs to in order to rile up his base to vote for him again?

In the meantime, he's taking your political donations and lining his own personal pockets with them to fund his own lifestyle. Get out of the cult MAGA boys.

I think DeSoros is talking about the same thing when he complains about the 'administrative state'.

[Landroval]

I'm voting for whoever doesn't put a Boomer up for the presidency this go around.

No more fucking Boomers. It's about time they lose their 40 year stranglehold on politics.