Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[fortior]

Why would I put any more effort into teaching you anything about the game. It's been a complete waste of time so far.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would I put any more effort into teaching you anything about the game. It's been a complete waste of time so far.

If you can show evidence, the whole community benefits. Whenever these kinds of discussions come up again, we can simply point to that.

It's a win/win scenario, since I don't care about being wrong. If you prove me wrong, everybody learns something. If I am right, hopefully you reduce your trolling.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"No evidence needed, it’s an objective truth. Shamans are simply a better class than a Cleric."

Hey look, I can do it too!

Opinions don’t change facts, sorry 😢

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Opinions don’t change facts, sorry ��

Agreed! Bring the facts please. Simply saying "the facts are out there" is not a collection of facts.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can show evidence, the whole community benefits. Whenever these kinds of discussions come up again, we can simply point to that.

It's a win/win scenario, since I don't care about being wrong. If you prove me wrong, everybody learns something. If I am right, hopefully you reduce your trolling.

Since evidence is so important to the community, please kindly provide evidence which support your claims made over tens? hundreds? of posts that your Shaman can improve a group's DPS (providing benefit to the group and/or more of a benefit than a non-Epic Magician).

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

# of posts about Shamans improving the DPS of their group via Root-Rotting mulitple mobs parallel to the group: tens? hundreds?

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

# of posts including evidence of such: 0

Additionally, I am still eagerly and patiently awaiting your response to the following 2 simple questions I asked in my previous post - which you are (seemingly) ignoring:

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you believe the DPS will be "the same" / "won't change" in a group vs solo please clarify, are there or are there not outside variables introduced via the addition of group-mates which can "skew the data" / "change the DPS equation"?

You simply cannot claim "it (DPS) will be the same solo vs group, it (DPS) won't change" while simultaneously claiming "outside variables when grouping (which do not exist/apply when solo) skew the data " / "change the DPS equation" (affect DPS), as the statements are simply contradictory.


If you believe there are variables out of your control introduced by each group-mate which can "skew the data" and "change the DPS equation" please clarify, how can a given player's DPS be "the same every time" / "won't change in a group" when taking the aforementioned variables into consideration/account?

You simply cannot claim "outside variables when grouping (which do not exist/apply when solo) skew the data " / "change the DPS equation" (affect DPS) while simultaneously claiming "it (DPS) will be the same solo vs group, it (DPS) won't change", as the statements are simply contradictory.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed! Bring the facts please. Simply saying "the facts are out there" is not a collection of facts.

Sure it is. The facts are out there, doesn’t mean I need to tell you what they are. You are certaintly capable of going out and discovering them.

You still have a lot to learn about this game. I wouldn’t take that experience away from you!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure it is. The facts are out there, doesn’t mean I need to tell you what they are. You are certaintly capable of going out and discovering them.

You still have a lot to learn about this game. I wouldn’t take that experience away from you!

Nice excuse! Let me do the same thing:

"The facts are out there, doesn’t mean I need to tell you what they are. You are certaintly capable of going out and discovering them.

You still have a lot to learn about this game. I wouldn’t take that experience away from you!"

Guess we are at an impasse again. What will your next "I am right, you are wrong" argument variation be I wonder? Should we take bets?

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice excuse! Let me do the same thing:

"The facts are out there, doesn’t mean I need to tell you what they are. You are certaintly capable of going out and discovering them.

You still have a lot to learn about this game. I wouldn’t take that experience away from you!"

Guess we are at an impasse again. What will your next "I am right, you are wrong" argument variation be I wonder? Should we take bets?

Since you have resorted to copy/pasting everything I say, I can only assume you are a troll at this point

I will continue this discussion once you have gone out and discovered these facts for yourself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since you have resorted to copy/pasting everything I say, I can only assume you are a troll at this point

I will continue this discussion once you have gone out and discovered these facts for yourself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please come back when you can provide any evidence for any of your claims. I have provided multiple videos showing how the game works and how Shamans work. You have provided "I am right, you are wrong" arguments. I am sorry, but logical fallacies do not count as valid methods of debate.

Claiming I am a troll because you refuse to provide evidence for your own claims is quite a stretch.

As I said before, I would be happy to group with you Crede so we can make some videos! You can see a video of me grouping up with Pint to help move the discussion along about a Shadowknight debate, so you have proof that I am not simply saying this.

For those interested, you can check out the youtube channel in my signature for the videos and make up your own minds. Trolls like Cyxthryth will continue to use the argument that all evidence is invalid, because they can't provide anything better.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care about being wrong

It could argued that since you (DSM) "don't care about being wrong" even if you know that you are objectively wrong you simply don't care, & will simply continue to argue despite being objectively wrong indefinitely. The evidence in this thread (& the above Quote) supports this argument very well, as you have made 1,300+ posts which simply provided no evidence which supported your specific claims made over tens? hundreds? of posts that your Shaman could improve a group's DPS and provide benefit and/or more benefit than a non Epic Mage by Root Rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group, as one simple example.