Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is saying shamans are bad. They are just simply not as needed in this state of velious with gear and especially in this composition. As I stated, Most monks would rather just duo with a cleric because you don’t have to risk torp not keeping up or with dispells and what not. Having a cleric is just safer, just toss in cheals as needed with aego. Rez if shit hits the fan. Paci bracer through dungeon. Double da, etc. blur. Just more tools than a shaman.

And I am not saying Clerics are bad either. People are simply overestimating them for the content this group will be doing. You aren't CHing a warrior discing.

Torp + Slow will keep up with whatever a Monk/Cleric duo can do. I would be happy to discuss specific camps if you had some in mind.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I am not saying Clerics are bad either. People are simply overestimating them for the content this group will be doing. You aren't CHing a warrior discing.

Torp + Slow will keep up with whatever a Monk/Cleric duo can do. I would be happy to discuss specific camps if you had some in mind.

You're CHing a charm pet. Isn't that obvious? CH is far more mana efficient than Torpor, and does not slow the healed target.

It's a no brainer which is better here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love how DSM is talking about Sham vs Cleric for monk duo in a 4 person all caster/priest thread.

Crede brought that up, not me. I was simply responding.

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're CHing a charm pet. Isn't that obvious? CH is far more mana efficient than Torpor, and does not slow the healed target.

It's a no brainer which is better here.

It is obvious the Cleric is CHing the pet.

It is also obvious the Shaman is Slow + Torpor tanking. The pet is not tanking, so it doesn't need CH, and it doesn't get snared.

Torpor is a 6 HP to 1 Mana heal, with the possibility of 7.5 HP to 1 mana on a good server tick. Certainly not a bad ratio. The reason why a Shaman is more mana efficient in the long run is because you can cannibalize from low HP/Mana to full in 3 minutes. Raw mana efficiency is offset by extremely fast mana regeneration. CH is best when you can't slow, or just need an immediate full heal.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I am not saying Clerics are bad either. People are simply overestimating them for the content this group will be doing.

You simply do not know what content this hypothetical group will be doing because OP did not specify it, remember? See your own quote below:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP did not specify any preconditions, so they are moot.

Therefore, you simply cannot make objective claims about whether other posters are "overestimating" the Cleric class. In order to do so you would need to agree upon the content the hypothetical group would be attempting and at what level, so that you could make relevant class-to-class comparisons between those classes for that content at the levels they would be tackling that content.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These preconditions are designed to restrict the conversation to try and make certain classes favorable for specific scenarios. This creates a situation where you inevitably compare apples to oranges. Someone will fervently try to win the argument by creating a scenario where their favorite class is the best, and then use that to claim another class can never be superior. The reality is you level characters to get to level 60. You need to think about what a level 60 character is doing. A conversation about "efficient groups" is not very useful in the lower levels. The content is so easy you can use just about any 4 man group, other than perhaps all rogues.

Your statement "You need to think about what a level 60 character is doing" is exactly NO more relevant or correct to this discussion than the statement "You need to think about what a level 1-59 character is doing".

The OP did NOT specify that this discussion is about level 60's, and it could be argued that by insisting the conversation be focused solely (or even mostly) around the capabilities of classes at level 60 with full spellbooks that you are simply specifying a precondition designed to restrict the conversation to try and make a certain class (Shaman) favorable for specific scenarios (which the OP did not specify any, remember?) and that you are simply fervently trying to win the argument by creating a scenario where your favorite class is the best, and then using that to claim other classes can never be superior.