Internet addiction

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by TheBardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find visiting a lot of sites is a reflexive thing, like you don’t even notice you’re doing it. To help with this you can block IPs on your router to stop you visiting without having to consciously login into the router and unblock it. Hope this helps.

Block IPs on a router so you don’t have to login to router to unblock?

I’m not quite sure what that means, but also how do you login to a router? And how would you know what the right IPs are to block? I’ve never done that but it does sound like a good idea!

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PG, you don't need to get off the internet, you need to get out of your own head.

Maybe. But how?

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have your male guardian set up the block and not tell you what he did.

My what lol 😂

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thinking of and typing out (ideally complex) arguments on a forum or whatever medium is good for the brain

Assuming one doesn’t get too emotionally invested or is otherwise unable to moderate

Hard disagree. Group polarization is a thing; you’re just pushing yourself harder into extremism the more you participate in this nonsense.

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Block the site in hosts file

This also sounds like a good idea, but what is a hosts file?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hard disagree. Group polarization is a thing; you’re just pushing yourself harder into extremism the more you participate in this nonsense.

I meant that the brain is like a muscle, and by conceptualizing and framing an argument you are flexing that muscle. By reading sources for an argument you are improving your vocabulary

It is infinitely better for your brain than some mindless activity like watching tv

Polarization is is up to the individual

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Polarization is is up to the individual

You may want to flex your brain muscle by reading some about social psychology bc this is 100% wrong 😅

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You may want to flex your brain muscle by reading some about social psychology bc this is 100% wrong ��

I’ve always said I don’t have as much respect for people who aren’t able to come up with at least a few things they don’t like about their own political party

I have, on many occasions, criticized republican politicians on these boards. I have on many occasions sided with a leftist argument

So, as corny as it sounds, I would suggest to be the change you want to see in the world

The way to fight polarization is to have set of values and stick to those, no matter which side you have to piss off in doing so. Ideally this will cause you to drift towards a middle-ground approach. I think this is a much better thing to do than to run away from social media and forums because they foster polarization, but you do you

Also, I’m not pretending I’m perfect here. Sometimes I like to talk shit. I sometimes relish the times when someone insults me, because my conscience is most ok with me clapping back rather than being the initial instigator. Sometimes I like to be purely sarcastic and shitpost. It depends on my mindset at the time

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IÂ’ve always said I donÂ’t have as much respect for people who arenÂ’t able to come up with at least a few things they donÂ’t like about their own political party

I have, on many occasions, criticized republican politicians on these boards. I have on many occasions sided with a leftist argument

So, as corny as it sounds, I would suggest to be the change you want to see in the world

The way to fight polarization is to have set of values and stick to those, no matter which side you have to piss off in doing so. Ideally this will cause you to drift towards a middle-ground approach. I think this is a much better thing to do than to run away from social media and forums because they foster polarization, but you do you

Also, IÂ’m not pretending IÂ’m perfect here. Sometimes I like to talk shit. I sometimes relish the times when someone insults me, because my conscience is most ok with me clapping back rather than being the initial instigator. Sometimes I like to be purely sarcastic and shitpost. It depends on my mindset at the time

This was the most interesting post in the thread for me, and IÂ’ll explain why without even using chatgpt :P

First, one of the supposed benefits of public discourse is to come to a general consensus about various issues. Which is kind of the basis of political parties- that they have collectively determined how to feel about the issues of today. And while it’s probably true that there are great ideas from most political parties, it’s a logical fallacy to assume a person has a “better” perspective on the issues if they sometimes go against the general consensus of their political party. This is called the “appeal to novelty” logical fallacy, and it’s something I always remember due to Jordan Peterson using this fallacy in his interview with some self-identified feminist. He suggested that she had worse ideas because she agreed with every other feminist about everything, which she then defensively denied.

Second:

The way to fight polarization is to have set of values and stick to those, no matter which side you have to piss off in doing so.

YouÂ’re maybe more enlightened than most here, because instead of deluding yourself into believing youÂ’re not susceptible to confirmation bias you willfully embrace it. Confirmation bias is of course the tendency for people to seek out information that confirms their previously-held beliefs, and by firmly deciding that your beliefs will not be swayed by new information you make it clear that your goal is confirmation bias. Which is so wild to me lmao

Now, group polarization. This is the concept within social psychology that explains how when a group of like-minded people come together, they actually come to hold more extreme beliefs as they discuss their beliefs with one another. It has been studied extensively, and itÂ’s a good thing to try to be aware of as youÂ’re interacting with like-minded individuals. It absolutely is something that happens in these online forums.

And the fourth concept I want to touch on here is the concept of attitude polarization, which is a shift in attitude to more extreme beliefs due to confirmation bias. It has been shown that being subjected to opinions that go against our previously-held beliefs can sometimes just further entrench us in our opposition to these differing ideas, and attitude polarization can be a result of this. One mitigating factor can be the *quality* of discourse taking place; meaning something like academic standards being applied to the practice. Of course academics are just as susceptible to these social-psychological quirks of humanity, so there is no 100% sure way to avoid them.

This is part of why participating in this sort of public discourse can be harmful, or at least push a person into holding extreme views. You may feel it is improving your vocabulary and keeping your mind active, and maybe it is. But thatÂ’s not all itÂ’s doing.

A couple years ago I had a lot of fun talking fitness with you, but more recently IÂ’ve found that more than anything you are hateful. My own biases are ofc at play here, but I do think youÂ’ve radicalized yourself to some extent by talking politics so much in these online spaces. As so many of us have, maybe myself included.

Thanks for making such a perfect post for me to consider <3

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was the most interesting post in the thread for me, and IÂ’ll explain why without even using chatgpt :P

First, one of the supposed benefits of public discourse is to come to a general consensus about various issues. Which is kind of the basis of political parties- that they have collectively determined how to feel about the issues of today. And while it’s probably true that there are great ideas from most political parties, it’s a logical fallacy to assume a person has a “better” perspective on the issues if they sometimes go against the general consensus of their political party. This is called the “appeal to novelty” logical fallacy, and it’s something I always remember due to Jordan Peterson using this fallacy in his interview with some self-identified feminist. He suggested that she had worse ideas because she agreed with every other feminist about everything, which she then defensively denied.

Second:



YouÂ’re maybe more enlightened than most here, because instead of deluding yourself into believing youÂ’re not susceptible to confirmation bias you willfully embrace it. Confirmation bias is of course the tendency for people to seek out information that confirms their previously-held beliefs, and by firmly deciding that your beliefs will not be swayed by new information you make it clear that your goal is confirmation bias. Which is so wild to me lmao

Now, group polarization. This is the concept within social psychology that explains how when a group of like-minded people come together, they actually come to hold more extreme beliefs as they discuss their beliefs with one another. It has been studied extensively, and itÂ’s a good thing to try to be aware of as youÂ’re interacting with like-minded individuals. It absolutely is something that happens in these online forums.

And the fourth concept I want to touch on here is the concept of attitude polarization, which is a shift in attitude to more extreme beliefs due to confirmation bias. It has been shown that being subjected to opinions that go against our previously-held beliefs can sometimes just further entrench us in our opposition to these differing ideas, and attitude polarization can be a result of this. One mitigating factor can be the *quality* of discourse taking place; meaning something like academic standards being applied to the practice. Of course academics are just as susceptible to these social-psychological quirks of humanity, so there is no 100% sure way to avoid them.

This is part of why participating in this sort of public discourse can be harmful, or at least push a person into holding extreme views. You may feel it is improving your vocabulary and keeping your mind active, and maybe it is. But thatÂ’s not all itÂ’s doing.

A couple years ago I had a lot of fun talking fitness with you, but more recently IÂ’ve found that more than anything you are hateful. My own biases are ofc at play here, but I do think youÂ’ve radicalized yourself to some extent by talking politics so much in these online spaces. As so many of us have, maybe myself included.

Thanks for making such a perfect post for me to consider <3

I think the chance of someone being manipulated (based on their own gullibility) or bullied into agreeing with everything their political party does, especially considering the tactics used in this political climate, are far greater than it just being a coincidence that they happen to agree with everything

But I can’t jump into anyone’s heads. Agree to disagree

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe. But how?

starts with an analysis of things you like that aren't internet connected, or even electrified.

getting out of your head and into your body can be straight forward or metaphorical

like pounding that treadmill until all the stress is gone or meditating yourself into a peaceful trance

you work out, thats a great thing to take care of the body/mind but that's not a secret and you wouldn't have asked if that solved it

we are too young for the tech we have as a species, it's a weird contradiction how so many of us feel the need for our screens to be playing as we fall asleep, but also cannot fall asleep because the screens are playing. we aren't wired for it. The internet isn't the cause of that feeling like "I gotta get offline" its that our brains haven't evolved to deal with the new neural pathways or whatever that nature didn't give us at birth, we are just dazzled by the bright lights and moving pictures not so different than a deer in the headlights

so while leaving all your devices at home and going on a hike to commune with nature is certainly effective, we don't necessarily have to work ourselves into that state.

i dunno maybe think of the internet like a swiftly moving river, its beautiful to watch and it feels great when you get in and swim around but if you don't hold on it's gonna sweep you away, and all you really need to do is step out of the water and have a seat on the bank, where we can still enjoy the river

we're just the first humans in history to deal with such an immersive level of communications, and the way we deal with it is going to set the tone for all of our descendants.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My what lol 😂

Walī

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Walī

and this was funny to you?

i was going to send you a fun easter song but now i'm not sure i will.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and this was funny to you?

i was going to send you a fun easter song but now i'm not sure i will.

you should send it anyway

95% of what we glean via text messages is decided in our own minds, we don't communicate like this IRL

as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, text meaning exists in the mind of the interpreter