Which race is better for Paladin: Dwarf or Half Elf?

[Uza Khan]

Thanks guys for the replies and feedback. Appreciate it.

I have seen that for Dwarves, they are recommended to always put at least 5 into AGI before doing anything else, and that the rest could/should go CHA or WIS. I've seen plenty of posts talking about the min/max value is in CHA or WIS given that so much gear is STR/STA based.

Toxigen mentioned going full CHA as well. Seeing as how Dwarves are so abyssmally low in CHA, doesn't it make the most sense in this game to put the other 15 there? Or even all 20 for that matter?

Do you ever see Dwarven Paladins soloing using Lull? It seems like a character's level is the most important consideration when doing that, but like Swish said, you have to properly equip yourself.

I don't think I could make a mistake either way where I put the rest....it is just 15 points after all....but you guys have been around way longer and have seen much more than I have, and so your experiences & observed opinions do carry weight.

Thanks.

[Pint]

You'll use calm all the time but still go agi and wis

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'll use calm all the time but still go agi and wis

Calm all the time but rare occasion youll need 20 extra wis/agi.

Sounds like a no brainer, the community has voted OP - Dwarf with 20 into CHA - Enjoy that cultural armor and lookin like a boss. Once you obtain epic you'll never even think about the nature's defender.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Uza Khan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks guys for the replies and feedback. Appreciate it.

I have seen that for Dwarves, they are recommended to always put at least 5 into AGI before doing anything else, and that the rest could/should go CHA or WIS. I've seen plenty of posts talking about the min/max value is in CHA or WIS given that so much gear is STR/STA based.

Toxigen mentioned going full CHA as well. Seeing as how Dwarves are so abyssmally low in CHA, doesn't it make the most sense in this game to put the other 15 there? Or even all 20 for that matter?

Do you ever see Dwarven Paladins soloing using Lull? It seems like a character's level is the most important consideration when doing that, but like Swish said, you have to properly equip yourself.

I don't think I could make a mistake either way where I put the rest....it is just 15 points after all....but you guys have been around way longer and have seen much more than I have, and so your experiences & observed opinions do carry weight.

Thanks.

I’d go all 20 into cha. Can raise agi with items like barbed dragonscale Pauldrons. Can also camp stuff like the cat o nine tails for agi proc. You will def cast lull/calm/paci/dw arms if you plan to solo/small group so it’s definitely a thing. You can stack cha items and luminary two handed sword proc for more cha, but never hurts to have more of it innately.

[Trelaboon]

I’d definitely put the 5 points into agility and then. I personally would put the rest into wisdom as a dwarf, as charisma is an easy stat to bump for the purposes of lulling and is only really beneficial when soloing. I solo a lot on mine so the charisma is worth it, but I’d rather have mana over the solo help later on.

To answer the question, Dwarf is better in nearly every single metric. The only benefit to the half elf is not having to put five points into agility, but even with that considered, your stats will be better on the dwarf.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Trelaboon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’d definitely put the 5 points into agility and then. I personally would put the rest into wisdom as a dwarf, as charisma is an easy stat to bump for the purposes of lulling and is only really beneficial when soloing. I solo a lot on mine so the charisma is worth it, but I’d rather have mana over the solo help later on.

To answer the question, Dwarf is better in nearly every single metric. The only benefit to the half elf is not having to put five points into agility, but even with that considered, your stats will be better on the dwarf.

What’s the thing with agility? I don’t really get it, it’s not hard to get to 75 agi via items in velious.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What’s the thing with agility? I don’t really get it, it’s not hard to get to 75 agi via items in velious.

It just makes your gear more flexible, because you are swapping out gear for clickies, resistance pieces, etc. A lot of gear doesn't have AGI on it, so you are forcing yourself to have at least one piece with it on at all times. Much better in most cases just to put 5 into it at the beginning.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It just makes your gear more flexible, because you are swapping out gear for clickies, resistance pieces, etc. A lot of gear doesn't have AGI on it, so you are forcing yourself to have at least one piece with it on at all times. Much better in most cases just to put 5 into it at the beginning.

+6 neck will get you above the AGI penalty, same with the Crown of Narandi, both items that will basically never be replaced and will get you resists as well.

If you do end up replacing them and obtaining BiS, you will still be well above the AGI cap:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Paladin_BIS

Along with things like avatar & cat o nine tails, I don't see the value in that 5 extra AGI. Maybe in classic, but it's simply overkill in Velious due to the number of good agility items out there.

Dwarves should be going 20 into CHA if they plan to solo/group. If they never plan to solo/group at 60 and only raid, then WIS would be a better option.

[Spaerhawk]

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https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Paladin_BIS

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+6 neck will get you above the AGI penalty, same with the Crown of Narandi, both items that will basically never be replaced and will get you resists as well.

If you do end up replacing them and obtaining BiS, you will still be well above the AGI cap:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Paladin_BIS

Along with things like avatar & cat o nine tails, I don't see the value in that 5 extra AGI. Maybe in classic, but it's simply overkill in Velious due to the number of good agility items out there.

Dwarves should be going 20 into CHA if they plan to solo/group. If they never plan to solo/group at 60 and only raid, then WIS would be a better option.

Your magic resistance isn't capped, even with 6 neck or https://wiki.project1999.com/Valtron...lace_of_Wonder .

https://wiki.project1999.com/Amulet_of_the_Storm is a great swap for magic resistance, but you would lose the agility on the neck slot, as an example.

I am not saying you are wrong. Full BiS should have AGI on one piece. If you really want to maximize every point, and you know exactly what gear you are going to get, then you can avoid putting the 5 points into AGI.

For most players, the 5 AGI is the better option. I also did the 5 AGI as an Ogre, so I could get from 70 to 75. I don't regret it, since I never have to worry about AGI on my items, or worry about using an AGI buff.

I have raid gear in most of my slots, but only three pieces actually have AGI on it, my neck piece, my face, and my legs. My neck piece gets swapped out for https://wiki.project1999.com/Amulet_of_the_Storm when I need more MR. The pants are basically BiS for Shamans, so technically I don't need the +5 AGI. However, my Lodi Shield cancels out my leg bonus with -5 AGI, so I am only getting AGI from my face slot at the end of the day when swapping for resistances. I can maintain one agility piece at all times, but that is because I have an AGI piece that is also a great resistance piece for the slot.