SK Race question + item help (have never played a tank)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing is needed or required for anything. You don't need BE for soloing either. This has to be the worst point I've ever heard you make. It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand, as you can still talk about marginal benefits. An iksar is still the best raiding SK due to greenmist resists, AC bonus, & regen. It's really that simple.

The only bad point here is this. Saying nothing matters is pointless in a discussion. People what to know what is best, even if it doesn't matter. You can enjoy min/maxing even if it isn't required for content. I am simply stating the facts of the game so people can make the decision that is best for them. I don't know why you have to keep muddying the facts. If you think I am wrong, actually back it up with math/facts.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You stated iksars make bad shamans, sks, warriors. This is factually incorrect, as they make the best raiding shamans, sks, and warriors, and arguably the best grouping shamana/sks/warriors as well. You can even make a case for them being the best soloing versions as well. Kunark clickies have nothing to do with "best" when talking about min max at 60. It's really that simple.

The problem here is you don't understand what Min/Max means. Min/Max means you get most benefit in the most situations. Most people aren't Min/Maxing for raiding, because most people don't raid often. For P99, Min/Max is always going to go towards Soloing/Grouping, because that is what most people do most of the time.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing factually correct that you've stated is the benefit of blood ember saving mana. While kunark clickies are nice, they are not the sole determining factor if you're trying to min max a race.

How am I incorrect? Saving mana on a mana-bound class is more important than saving HP. That is a simple fact. Sitting and meditating less = more time killing mobs.

When looking at Iksar vs. non-Iksar Warrior/Shaman/Shadowknight, clickies are the primary factor. That is the main trade-off. You can pick a Troll for Warrior/Shaman/Shadowknight, so the Regeneration isn't a factor. The Iksar AC bonus is quite minor on plate wearing classes, so it is a negligible factor. You are basically doing a Greenmist vs. Blood Ember calculation, and Blood Ember wins out.

[Samoht]

Kunark clickies are almost entirely irrelevant. Some of them have convenience factor, like Cobalt legs, but you don't *have* to be able to invis other people... Larrikan's Mask/Invis rings work just as well for yourself but have to be recharged. Plus, you should be carrying Ring of shdows anyway for the instant cast time if you're really playing optimally. But this isn't a discussion about warriors. Just a real example.

JBB is one of the most overrated items in the game. It's sucks so much. But this isn't a discussion about shamans. It's just another example of why you don't need kunark clickies.

The blood ember armor sucks. I'm no worse off if I were to spend an additional tick or two medding than spending the time it takes to equip, stand, and cast the item then put it back into the bags instead of just skipping it all together.

They don't even save the spell gems. It's not like SK has important spells on long cooldown like DA or harvest. What else would you even have up? What else COULD you even have up?

Blood ember = junk.

Don't do drugs.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kunark clickies are almost entirely irrelevant. Some of them have convenience factor, like Cobalt legs, but you don't *have* to be able to invis other people... Larrikan's Mask/Invis rings work just as well for yourself but have to be recharged. Plus, you should be carrying Ring of shdows anyway for the instant cast time if you're really playing optimally. But this isn't a discussion about warriors. Just a real example.

JBB is one of the most overrated items in the game. It's sucks so much. But this isn't a discussion about shamans. It's just another example of why you don't need kunark clickies.

The blood ember armor sucks. I'm no worse off if I were to spend an additional tick or two medding than spending the time it takes to equip, stand, and cast the item then put it back into the bags instead of just skipping it all together.

They don't even save the spell gems. It's not like SK has important spells on long cooldown like DA or harvest. What else would you even have up? What else COULD you even have up?

Blood ember = junk.

Don't do drugs.

This is a terrible take, you clearly don't understand the basic math of the game.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only bad point here is this. Saying nothing matters is pointless in a discussion. People what to know what is best, even if it doesn't matter. You can enjoy min/maxing even if it isn't required for content. I am simply stating the facts of the game so people can make the decision that is best for them. I don't know why you have to keep muddying the facts. If you think I am wrong, actually back it up with math/facts.




The problem here is you don't understand what Min/Max means. Min/Max means you get most benefit in the most situations. Most people aren't Min/Maxing for raiding, because most people don't raid often. For P99, Min/Max is always going to go towards Soloing/Grouping, because that is what most people do most of the time.



How am I incorrect? Saving mana on a mana-bound class is more important than saving HP. That is a simple fact. Sitting and meditating less = more time killing mobs.

When looking at Iksar vs. non-Iksar Warrior/Shaman/Shadowknight, clickies are the primary factor. That is the main trade-off. You can pick a Troll for Warrior/Shaman/Shadowknight, so the Regeneration isn't a factor. The Iksar AC bonus is quite minor on plate wearing classes, so it is a negligible factor. You are basically doing a Greenmist vs. Blood Ember calculation, and Blood Ember wins out.

Iksars are the best raiding race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.
Iksars are the best grouping race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.
Iksars are the best soloing race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.

It's really that simple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Samoht]

Trolls can't wear robes.

[Ripqozko]

DSM is why Vanquish is failing, hope this helps (kunark clickies not needed to know this)

[Jimjam]

Incaracdine bp should be iksar usable. If it don’t chafe sarnak scales then why iksar?

Classic content suggest.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM is why Vanquish is failing, hope this helps (kunark clickies not needed to know this)

Lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iksars are the best raiding race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.
Iksars are the best grouping race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.
Iksars are the best soloing race at 60 - Kunark clickies don't change this.

It's really that simple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please posts facts/evidence to back up your claims.

[Keebz]

Iksar and Troll are both good. The min/max trade off is AC vs Bash/Higher STA. The BE stuff is the tits while leveling, but a novelty at 60.

But as said before, the real problem with Iksar is looking like a clown when you swing your Palladius.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SKs are the worst raiding class in the game.

You know what's worse? Shamans 4-12.