URN - Urn Resistance Network

[Karthil]

Originally Posted by Brool [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heya! As you re associated with the other crew - typically on your ENC Mirinda - I am not super motivated to answer all this....I feel its not really genuine. I am pretty busy helping all of our new members!

I am happy to let our members experience and our success speak for itself over time. We are always open to input and suggestions from our members as we want to make it the best for everyone. So far, the response the simple option of not having to pay 180k for an urn mq has been overwhelming --- and extremely positive.

Cheers!

That's your call! Definitely genuine questions though. I completely understand the motivation to want to farm your own urn (I felt the same way about my enchanter epic, and was glad I got to do that!) and I'm under no delusions that the camp belongs to me and my group of friends, or that other people who want to farm it are in any way shape or form my "enemy." I know a few other people who have farmed it and consider them friends, and even root for them to get urns when they get the camp. If I were to never camp DS again, that'd be perfectly fine, and I'd root for everyone who does to get an urn!

My genuine interest comes from two places: I know the camp and what it's like and I think people should have some transparency if they want to join something like this.

It's a BIS item and one that a lot of people have interest in getting. Because of that, I can 100% understand the argument that a farm crew holding it over and over feels kinda scummy. But I also think there's one upside to it: it's very transparent. You need x amount of plat to buy an BIS item and not have to worry about the ridiculousness of the long camp windows, competition, and chance that she drops no urn.

A reason that farm crews are so successful when handfuls of friends are not is exactly that: more people share the burden and the drop can be split (plat splits super easily). When everyone wants an Urn, not plat, that gets a lot more complicated.

Your desire to not want to pay plat for it makes perfect sense to me, and I think a lot of people agree with you (hell, an entire guild existed on this server where people didn't want to pay plat for *anything*). Making a farm crew to compete with plat farmers is the start, but then technically all those people are now competing with each other. Yes, it's better to think of it as helping, but they are coming together to help based on a shared end goal, and that end goal is a scarce resource: she only has *the chance* to drop one urn every 24 hours, max.

I think everyone should get to play this game how they see fit, and your crew may be a great avenue for people to get there.

But full disclosure, I think the answers to these questions should be easy to publicize if that's the case. None of these are trick questions. None of them should be trade secrets. If the farm crew is intended to make this process less painful for people and help them get their own urn, they should be able to know these things going in.

You think selling the urns is scummy, but I'd argue running a crew that keeps this kind of info in the dark while recruiting new members is essentially a pyramid scheme.

Everyone who got in early will get an urn, but the amount of hours required to get one will balloon to such unreasonable levels that anyone new or who couldn't put in the same hours up front will never get one, and it will all eventually implode at those people's expense.

Edit: just want to clarify, I'm not saying you've absolutely started a pyramid scheme--indeed, I hope your crew is super successful and everyone who wants to camp their own urn has that chance! But what I am saying is that the possibility for this being like a pyramid scheme is present, and it is particularly concerning when those questions I asked are evaded--even when coming from a potentially compromised person, like myself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]