Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah shit. I thought your mom pulled your internet access or something cause you didn't post for like half a day. Was kinda nice not having a post full of complete nonsense every 5 minutes.

You absolutely did and continue to shift goalposts and change your arguments when you're proven wrong. Enchanter downtime is MUCH less than warrior without regen item/buff. The warrior is also most likely fighting mobs much lower level than them to take as little damage as possible cause they aren't regenning for shit. Enchanters typically fight higher level mobs by comparison. The XP difference is fairly noticeable and should be taken into account. But this is probably the dumbest argument you've made. I'd personally steer clear of this one.

Nah. You need to prove your points with evidence. So far you have provided zero evidence for every argument made in this thread lol.

Enchanters 12-30 have plenty of downtime too due to lower meditation and mana regen buffs (less mana per tick), more fizzling (lower skills), more interrupts (lower channeling), more resists (lower level tash). I leveled an Enchanter from 12-30 recently, I know this very well. I was also leveling my Warrior.

The only proof so far is that you have admitted to being a troll:

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone (including you) has trolled at various points in this thread. Troll posts are not the majority of my posts. I have zero issue admitting when I'm doing so. Unlike some of us [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is one of multiple quotes of you admitting you are trolling. You are incorrect that I am trolling, and are also vastly underestimating the number of troll posts you have made. It is well over 300, and you have around 470 posts in this thread.

[cyxthryth]

Oops! Double-post hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

shaman was root rotting adds with epic. So it does happen in a ‘real’ context. :

"Adds?" Please clarify... are you intending to convey that you were pulling 5 mobs at a time and the Shaman was rooting yet-additional (6th+) mobs? Or were the "adds" that were being root/rotted just part of what you have implied is the "current meta ([your pulls of] up to 5 mobs at a time)" standard/normal pull and you are simply calling them "adds" for an unknown/undefined reason?

What other classes were in this group, did it happen to have an Enchanter, and how long did it utilize this method/strategy of Shaman root rotting "adds"? For the sake of the - civil - discussion, it would be best to make these relevant factors clear. It's common for a Shaman and/or other classes to be rooting mobs as the groups primary CC if, for example, Root is the most dependable or only available form of CC the group has. At which point if heals are not needed, there isn't really much else for a Shaman to do against the primary DPS target - remember a Shaman won't be bothering to Malo or Slow mobs that die within 30s per DSM's posts in this thread, and Shaman will not get full value from their DoTs on targets that die too quickly - which will die in 30s anyway, so this hypothetical Shaman may as well DoT the "adds" because there is not much else it can (meaningfully) contribute. Let's be perfectly clear that in this specific scenario, you are pulling these mobs to the group and the Shaman is staying with the group, the Shaman has not ran off to fight "additional" mobs (over the 5 that you/the group have [intentionally] pulled) outside of the group (even though you are calling these mobs "adds" despite the fact that they were in your initial [presumably intentional] pull of 5 mobs at a time, which you have suggested is the meta, and not "additional mobs" to those 5). What DSM had earlier been claiming is that his Shaman could go fight / root/rot mobs independently from the group "if the group cares about DPS" hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Very different scenarios, objectively.

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you had pretty ballin weapons and a huge AC/HP pool

Hypotheticals can be valuable to discussions, however, such loosely defined variables as "pretty ballin weapons and a huge AC/HP pool" cannot be quantified, and I am not sure what point your post would seem to imply you think proposing the hypothetical Warrior "has pretty ballin weapons and a huge AC/HP pool" is making or what fact you think it is refuting.

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And while I'm sure I'm just ignorant about something here--I'm suspicious about the implication(?) that enchanters have basically no downtime. Everything in that process costs mana, you do end up having to nuke the mobs at some point, and anything that goes wrong costs more mana, even if you get to med most of the time your mana regen isn't that great at low levels, no?

I am not sure what evidence there is in this thread - if any - of an implication that "chanters have basically no downtime" that has caused you to have such a suspicion?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't shift goalposts at all lol. You don't even know what this means.

Both claims you have made in the above Quote are unsubstatiated and false. You have shifted/moved goalposts multiple times, and this irrefutable fact - which you cannot refute - has been pointed out to you multiple times by multiple people.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Updating an argument due to getting new data isn't changing the goalposts, it's just normal procedure lol.

Your post would seem to suggest that you have forgotten - or are intentionally attempting to ignore - the irrefutable fact - which you cannot refute - that you have moved goalposts by attempting to bring an irrelevant/outside-the-scope-of-the-discussion 5th "pocket" character into this thread's discussion about "Best 4 person all caster/priest group". You have additionally provided zero evidence of what (you believe that) "normal procedure" is, and why you (seemingly) believe that stating that you have not moved goalposts - when you indeed have - can somehow cause the fact that you have moved goalposts to be ignored or to somehow go away if you claim that "Updating an argument due to getting new data isn't changing the goalposts, it's just normal procedure" hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The facts will not change, nor go away.

This also sounds familiar hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I seem to recall you had made the - unsubstantiated, false & laughable - claim that you were not moving goalposts simply because you and the OP both agree that his post "was general" (whatever that means) - AKA argumentum ad populum hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the Epic Mage still doesn't make a significant difference with the DPS breakpoints. It's 4.3 seconds per kill in the case of Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric/Mage.

The problem is that your post would seem to indicate that you believe that your opinion of what is significant - such as a difference in kill time of 4.3 seconds per mob - is objective; it is not - it is simply your opinion hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This really isn't hard.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only proof so far is that you have admitted to being a troll

Nah hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have admitted to zero trolling. Quite the contrary! In irrefutable fact - which you cannot refute - I have challenged you calling me a troll and have asked you to provide proof/evidence of my "trolling". You have not provided - and seemingly cannot provide - any evidence that supports your claim, hence your claim is unsubstantiated - and false.

Your post would seem to indicate that you believe that others "want to shut you up"? Oh quite the contrary! I have been attempting to continue having a civil discussion with you, but you have repeatedly ignored my posts and dodged my questions hehe.

Reposting the current state of the discussion:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP never said you couldn't have a pocket cleric. I am not sure why people keep thinking this is not a possible route to take. Between four people it would be trivial to level a cleric to 39. It is pretty common for people to make pocket clerics on P99.

DSM attempted to move the goalposts by bringing a 5th "pocket" character into his "arguments" (even though this is intended to be a civil discussion - not an argument) pertaining to the "Best 4 person all caster/priest group" discussion.

Of course - speaking strictly mathematically - 4=/=5, so it is unclear why DSM has attempted to bring this 5th character into the equation or why his posts would seem to indicate that he believes doing so is not an example of him moving goalposts - when it objectively is - hehe.