Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was your first post in the debate. Great way to start a conversation lol. You have been trolling since the start, and now the majority of your post history is simply turning this thread into an RnF thread because you are angry that you lost a debate. Please grow up.

You keep proving my point here...

How was I trolling here, you lunatic? I said I agreed with their harsh assessment of you, but that calling you autistic may have been going too far. I was a "silent observer" until then. How was that "trolling"? Do you have a shred of intelligence?

This is it, guys! This child is beginning to snap. Can't you see it?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep proving my point here...

How was I trolling here, you lunatic? I said I agreed with their harsh assessment of you, but that calling you autistic may have been going too far. I was a "silent observer" until then. How was that "trolling"? Do you have a shred of intelligence?

This is it, guys! This child is beginning to snap. Can't you see it?

You called me childish and stubborn for no reason. I didn't do that to you when you first appeared. It's not a very civil way to start a conversation.

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did. You've ignored that completely, and repeated ad nauseam your data that doesn't mean squat in a 2 charm enchanter 1 cleric group.

Is it possible that, if a complete multitude disagree with you in this thread, that I'm not the one suffering from hubris here?

You, in your insanity, seem to think only you possess the secret knowledge of how shaman is going to be better than mage in this 4 man group.

Nobody, not even you, is going to believe for a second you actually have merit here or are unbiased in the slightest.

Data trumps experience. You haven't made one post to disprove any of the data provided, or the math given. This is a video game. The rules and math are fixed, never to change unless you cheat.

I really don't know why you think there is some deeper truth hidden outside of the basic rules and math of the game. You have yet to explain this, and instead just continue rage posting that you think I am wrong.

Debates don't work that way. You don't win by accumulating more troll posts than your opponent. You have been lulled into a false sense of security by assuming agreeing with the group makes you correct.

[Gloomlord]

We talked about the data. We mentioned that mage still does more and requires less effort. We talked about root rotting is a pointless gesture in this group. We talked about how these hypothetical people know how to play the game. What more do you want?

You've lost the argument. There's no way out of this. I've insulted you because you deserve to be insulted. This was not me trying to "troll". This does not take away from the fact you are illogical in your reasoning.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me childish and stubborn for no reason. I didn't do that to you when you first appeared. It's not a very civil way to start a conversation.

Because you are childish and stubborn. It wasn't for "no reason".

How does that make sense?! PlsNoBan already explained why we find it difficult to be civil with you. You are so cocksure in your obtuse nature, that even the most patient person will get fed up with you.

Toxigen seems like a pretty calm guy in general, but even he told you to "shut the fuck up" after you went this far. That speaks leagues about you, does it not?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We talked about the data. We mentioned that mage still does more and requires less effort. We talked about root rotting is a pointless gesture in this group. We talked about how these hypothetical people know how to play the game. What more do you want?

You've lost the argument. There's no way out of this. I've insulted you because you deserve to be insulted. This was not me trying to "troll". This does not take away from the fact you are illogical in your reasoning.

You haven't provided any data to prove the "Mage does more". Effort is dependent on the player, so it is not relevant to the discussion. OP isn't asking about classes that are easier to play, and we are assuming the players are experienced. This means they can easily adapt to strategies that aren't the norm.

Your opinion on how to generate DPS is not law. If you don't want to root/rot in a group, that doesn't mean everybody else thinks the same way. Just because people don't play that way doesn't mean it isn't a good way to play. People didn't do a lot of charming in groups on live in 1999-2001. That doesn't mean they were right in avoiding it.

Saying "you lost the debate" isn't how you win a debate. "You lost the debate". See? I can do it too.

At the Toxigen comment, he likes to troll threads, he isn't a good barometer.

You can also see your own arrogance by somehow claiming I deserve to be insulted lol. Who made you the insult arbiter?

[Karanis]

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[Gloomlord]

Just because you repeat "you're wrong" ad nauseam doesn't make you right. We've explained time and time again, to a degree we really shouldn't, why mage is preferable contributing to single target DPS over a shaman root rotting mobs. How can you not see that root rotting mobs in a 2 enchanter charm group is totally pointless?

You conveniently ignored my parable about a wizard and bard quadding in a 6 man group. Why? Because you know it's insane for 2 people to be doing that in a group where 4 other people depend on them.

YOU HAVE LOST!

[Gloomlord]

If a shaman wanted to root rot, why not join a group with a necromancer?

Why would 2 enchanters want a shaman in it root rotting irrelevant mobs? Why would they appreciate this, even if somehow shaman *DID* more damage than mage?

If you have a character at 60, you should know noone is going to want this. Are you going to tell us all, with a straight face, that this is what you'd do in 2 enchanter and 1 cleric group?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because you repeat "you're wrong" ad nauseam doesn't make you right.
YOU HAVE LOST!

Precisely. Please stop doing that. I am providing evidence to back up my claims. You are the one simply saying "you are wrong" without evidence, and then insulting me.

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We've explained time and time again, to a degree we really shouldn't, why mage is preferable contributing to single target DPS over a shaman root rotting mobs. How can you not see that root rotting mobs in a 2 enchanter charm group is totally pointless?

And you have no evidence to prove why you think you are correct over me. In any situation where you can chain pull mobs, you can root/rot. This is fact, and will not change. Your preference is not relevant to how the game actually works.

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You conveniently ignored my parable about a wizard and bard quadding in a 6 man group. Why? Because you know it's insane for 2 people to be doing that in a group where 4 other people depend on them.

I ignored it because you are somehow trying to equate quadding to root/rotting. You do know you need more space to quad than root/rot, right? They aren't comparable, and most level 60 groups are probably going to be in dungeons, where space is tight.

If there was an area where you could do both, I would be interested to see the numbers. It could be efficient in some areas. Dragon Necropolis is one area where you could have your bard swarm kiting spiders while your group is directly under the area killing rats, but I haven't tested that.

[Gloomlord]

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That is my rebuttal to your moronic suggestion about root rotting in a charm group.

"My preference"? Pretty sure that's nearly everyone in the game, you frothing madman.