Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not the troll here. The only trolls are the people using insults and memes when they can't get their way in a discussion. That is the stubborn childishness you speak of. They are the one's who started using autism as an insult too[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Don't blame me for their silliness.

Danth and myself are the only people on the post list who didn't devolve into trolling. Props to Crede for becoming civil again near the end of the discussion.

Troxx got mad because his own data shows his Mage isn't as good as he thought.

Karanis and PlsNoBan are basically trolling the entire time lol.

Zuranthium has a chip on his shoulder against me for some reason, so he likes to come in to threads and be contrarian from time to time. At least he became civil in his last post or two.

Toxigen likes to troll threads too, it's pretty common.

I disagree with how they're talking with you, but they're right. Mage does bring more to the table here, for a fraction of the effort.

I also agree with them in that other thread that mage is not underpowered. Undoubtedly they're a very boring class if you want to apply skill, but they're not underpowered.

However, you decided to pointlessly drag another thread in this demonisation of the magician class that it really doesn't deserve.

I'm not going to call you autistic, but this is a ridiculous obsession to me.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree with how they're talking with you, but they're right. Mage does bring more to the table here, for a fraction of the effort.

I also agree with them in that other thread that mage is not underpowered. Undoubtedly they're a very boring class if you want to apply skill, but they're not underpowered.

However, you decided to pointlessly drag another thread in this demonisation of the magician class that it really doesn't deserve.

I'm not going to call you autistic, but this is a ridiculous obsession to me.

Please provide counter evidence, otherwise you are just saying "I am right and you are wrong". That is not a valid argument.

As I have always said, underpowered does not equal bad. There are no bad classes in Everquest. Mages are fine, I enjoy them myself. But that doesn't change the simple fact that their DPS isn't great at level 60. They are a bottom-heavy class that really shines at lower levels. It is a great first character when you have no gear and need a class that can level up and make money.

And PlsNoBan continues to use a terrible straw man meme that just further proves his lack of math and reasoning skills[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please provide counter evidence, otherwise you are just saying "I am right and you are wrong". That is not a valid argument.

Yeah Gloomlord u idiot. Please post more data and math or you have no idea what you're talking about.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah Gloomlord u idiot. Please post more data and math or you have no idea what you're talking about.

If you just say "I am right, and you are wrong", or "you are stupid", you are not contributing anything meaningful[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sorry you continue wasting your time here.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please provide counter evidence, otherwise you are just saying "I am right and you are wrong". That is not a valid argument.

As I have always said, underpowered does not equal bad. There are no bad classes in Everquest. Mages are fine, I enjoy them myself. But that doesn't change the simple fact that their DPS isn't great at level 60. They are a bottom-heavy class that really shines at lower levels. It is a great first character when you have no gear and need a class that can level up and make money.

And PlsNoBan continues to use a terrible straw man meme that just further proves his lack of math and reasoning skills[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thing is: mages are neither underpowered, nor are they bad. They provide excellent DPS with almost no gear requirement in groups, are very good at soloing and dungeon crawling, and provide invaluable utility for a raid for reasons which should be obvious to everyone.

And we don't need to number crunch to figure out here that mage completely outdoes shaman at the DPS role in this hypothetical situation. Shaman is completely redundant when coupled with two enchanters and a cleric. Mage brings a powerful pet and powerful nukes when they are needed.

I concur with the previous posters with the notion that this isn't rocket science to figure out.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thing is: mages are neither underpowered, nor are they bad. They provide excellent DPS with almost no gear requirement in groups, are very good at soloing and dungeon crawling, and provide invaluable utility for a raid for reasons which should be obvious to everyone.

And we don't need to number crunch to figure out here that mage completely outdoes shaman at the DPS role in this hypothetical situation. Shaman is completely redundant when coupled with two enchanters and a cleric. Mage brings a powerful pet and powerful nukes when they are needed.

I concur with the previous posters with the notion that this isn't rocket science to figure out.

Just because you don't want to number crunch, doesn't mean the facts aren't there.

The difference in DPS between a Shaman and a Mage isn't vast, but a Shaman offers more utility if you don't need CoTH. It's really that simple. In a group with 2x Enchanter pets, the extra 30ish DPS advantage of a mage isn't going to be giving you much. If you want more DPS, bring another Enchanter.