Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PatChapp]

We just use our guilds coth bot on poop mountain. But yes,mage nearly essential to a jugg farm.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Juggernaut area probably plays most to the magician's strength since piggybacking the magician on a raid down to later call of the hero everyone in for jugg farms or named kills is how some of the groups down there do actually operate. So between those two classes the magician maybe wins, what, one out of five or six camps? I wouldn't call that a ringing endorsement. For the most part I think we can agree the shaman wins the "battle of the back-ups" for this enchanter-based quad group. For the entirety of the game I still prefer something like a necromancer over either as a 4th for our ench-ench-cler 4-man but that's separate from the magician-vs-shaman sub-debate.

Danth

Agreed. Necro is a great pick too. There's room to change things about based on what you are doing. For Fungi King you would want Shaman/Necro/Enchanter/Cleric. For something like Charasis putting in a Necro would be very nice. I am a bit on the fence as to if you would want 2 Enchanters at that point, since the Necro would probably be charming as well, and most mobs down there aren't terribly difficult. But Necromancer/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric would certainly chew through mobs in Charasis.

Good point about Juggs. As you and PatChapp point out your Mages are going to be on poop mountain anyway. Send 'em in for the Jugg farm.

[Keebz]

People keeping losing the message. The mage is there mainly for malo + pet. The pet is really good on charm breaks and malo helps reduce charm breaks. Because there are 2 chanters, the value of this is doubled. The added utility and DPS are secondary to that.

People have suggested Necro instead, which is a fair argument.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People keeping losing the message. The mage is there mainly for malo + pet. The pet is really good on charm breaks and malo helps reduce charm breaks. Because there are 2 chanters, the value of this is doubled. The added utility and DPS are secondary to that.

People have suggested Necro instead, which is a fair argument.

I didn't lose the message. Shamans can Malo (a better Malo too), and the Shaman pet can off-tank Charm breaks just fine in Seb. DPS-wise a Shaman can indeed keep up with a Mage if you split your efforts. Even just root/rotting two mobs gets you to the low end DPS of Troxx's Mage. A Mage offers nothing of value over a Shaman in most of Seb. CoTHing to Juggs is a good point, but that is only one camp[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't lose the message.

There's 15 pages of DPS arguing that shows otherwise.

I don't know what happened in your life that you feel like have to control every thread on p99 forums, but I wish you the very best in getting it back on track.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's 15 pages of DPS arguing that shows otherwise.

I don't know what happened in your life that you feel like have to control every thread on p99 forums, but I wish you the very best in getting it back on track.

The math is quite clear DPS-wise. 100 pages of people trying to deny it won't change the math.

But you said it yourself: the DPS is secondary. That makes Mages even worse hehe, because a Shaman can offer the exact same Charm break safety, plus they can also slow and heal. If both pets Charm break, having two healers means you can heal both Enchanters at the same time if necessary. Plus Shamans have AoE slow hehe. Just slow the broken mobs if it's an emergency.

EDIT: I may be wrong about Haste overriding Slow. I am thinking of the other way around, where Slow overrides Haste.

You have a strange idea of how forums work if you think I am "controlling threads" lol. I am offering information, and people who don't like me for whatever reason want to chime in to attack me. Stick to the topic and prove me wrong with logic and evidence.

[Troxx]

Point of the parses will be only to DSM that I’m not lying about mage dps. For the record we had a monk with fist of nature (tunare) and priceless velium wraps that I consistently beat the dps of. This doesn’t mean mage is better than that monk … far from it … but in the singular role of dps mages are a top notch choice. And they don’t need raid gear or epic pet to do it. They don’t magically get weaker at 60.

Mages have well known limitations. But for what they do well (killing shit) we do admirably.

Ps unless the ench was nuking a lot that I couldn’t parse I beat the ench charm pet quite on many fights. Again mages are not better than enchanters globally at all. They are good at making shit dead though.

[Troxx]

Mages are A-ok. Not overpowered but they are strong at what they do.

[Troxx]

Gotta mow and weed eater the lawn then I’ll sit down and compile the hours of fights (the good the bad and the ugly)

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we get an epic mage with pet focus to post some parses and shut this moron up please?

You don’t need an epic mage to make the point. My 60 water pet (unfocused - I have no staff) and nukes alone with c2 will demonstrate the point.

Parses incoming in a bit. It’ll show you what we already know. Mages are quite good at making things dead.