Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the opposite[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] This discussion was checkmated a while ago, but people just can't admit Mages are not very good. Math trumps your feelings. It is factual reality.

Your math shows your shaman feelings, nothing else, lol. It doesn't apply to reality. While that may be true in your own little mind, you haven't convinced anyone else, hehe.

Basically what happened is you recommended a shaman, then people made you realize their utility is useless if you swap in a mage for more dps. So now you're attempting to prove shaman's are better group dps over a group dps class, lol. And we haven't even talked about epic mages.

Seriously, it's ok, just accept defeat for once, you lost this debate a long time ago, lol.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your math shows your shaman feelings, nothing else, lol. It doesn't apply to reality. While that may be true in your own little mind, you haven't convinced anyone else, hehe.

Basically what happened is you recommended a shaman, then people made you realize their utility is useless if you swap in a mage for more dps. So now you're attempting to prove shaman's are better group dps over a group dps class, lol. And we haven't even talked about epic mages.

Seriously, it's ok, just accept defeat for once, you lost this debate a long time ago, lol.

Just because people aren't convinced, doesn't make it false lol. The strategy I described would work perfectly if you cared about max DPS. But with 2x Enchanters you don't really need the extra DPS to begin with. Epic mage is irrelevant due to it's rarity.

I have no problem accepting defeat in any debate, I have done so before. But if you are wrong why would I?

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because people aren't convinced, doesn't make it false lol. The strategy I described would work perfectly if you cared about max DPS. But with 2x Enchanters you don't really need the extra DPS to begin with. Epic mage is irrelevant due to it's rarity.

I have no problem accepting defeat in any debate, I have done so before. But if you are wrong why would I?

You are never wrong in your mind so you keep posting for 15 pages, basically UCF

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are never wrong in your mind so you keep posting for 15 pages, basically UCF

That is your projection, not the truth. You can look through my post history. I have admitted I am wrong plenty of times[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The simple truth is when people can't win a debate with facts and logic, they resort to name calling or character attacks.

That is the sign you have lost the debate. The only thing you can do is insult[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If I am wrong, please bring the evidence.

Troxx gave us the DPS numbers for his Mage, and I gave you the DPS numbers for my Shaman. It's really that simple.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is your projection, not the truth. You can look through my post history. I have admitted I am wrong plenty of times[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The simple truth is when people can't win a debate with facts and logic, they resort to name calling or character attacks.

That is the sign you have lost the debate. The only thing you can do is insult[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If I am wrong, please bring the evidence.

Troxx gave us the DPS numbers for his Mage, and I gave you the DPS numbers for my Shaman. It's really that simple.

Your DPS numbers would never hold up in reality, lol. A mage can consistently put that out. A shaman will never have enough mobs in the camp to do that. It's simply not sustainable. Eventually the camp will be split, and you'll be sniping one at a time, in which a mage would be even better for.

You should really reconstruct your arguments. Instead of thinking "how am i going to convince people that shamans are better group dps than a group dps class" you should be thinking "how am i going to convince people that shamans utility would outweigh what a mage would bring". People might actually take you seriously then hehe.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your DPS numbers would never hold up in reality, lol. A mage can consistently put that out. A shaman will never have enough mobs in the camp to do that. It's simply not sustainable. Eventually the camp will be split, and you'll be sniping one at a time, in which a mage would be even better for.

You should really reconstruct your arguments. Instead of thinking "how am i going to convince people that shamans are better group dps than a group dps class" you should be thinking "how am i going to convince people that shamans utility would outweigh what a mage would bring". People might actually take you seriously then hehe.

You easily can, especially in Sebilis. Take Disco, for example. The Shaman can literally start root/rotting Frenzied Pox Scarab room while the Enchanters start clearing Disco 1. I am not sure why people think you can't multi-task in a group if you want faster clears. Just because people don't do it, doesn't mean you can't lol.

Shaman utility easily outweighs Mage utility. Assuming you aren't doing something like Royals that needs CoTH, a Shaman has more useful spells on top of decent DPS if called for. You have Malo, Slow, AoE slow, Torpor, Shaman Pet (which can tank just fine), and buffs.

There is a reason why hard camps like Fungi King don't use a Mage. The DPS isn't going to help. You want utility and consistency so you don't lose the camp due to back luck.

The problem is you don't take your own advice, and instead just insult me when you can't win the debate. It is just silly, and you aren't convincing anyone of anything other than you are an asshole when you don't get your way.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You easily can, especially in Sebilis. Take Disco, for example. The Shaman can literally start root/rotting Frenzied Pox Scarab room while the Enchanters start clearing Disco 1. I am not sure why people think you can't multi-task in a group if you want faster clears. Just because people don't do it, doesn't mean you can't lol.

Shaman utility easily outweighs Mage utility. Assuming you aren't doing something like Royals that needs CoTH, a Shaman has more useful spells on top of decent DPS if called for. You have Malo, Slow, AoE slow, Torpor, Shaman Pet (which can tank just fine), and buffs.

There is a reason why hard camps like Fungi King don't use a Mage. The DPS isn't going to help. You want utility and consistency so you don't lose the camp due to back luck.

The problem is you don't take your own advice, and instead just insult me when you can't win the debate. It is just silly, and you aren't convincing anyone of anything other than you are an asshole when you don't get your way.

No, you try to make people look stupid claiming you've somehow proved some new point by "math". It's pathetic, and every post you make, people respect you less on these forums. You're not helping anybody by making ridiculous claims, so I don't know why you continue to bother.

Learn to take criticism, and find other ways to provide value here. Perhaps through guides & videos presenting general information, such as how a shaman can pull/kill something. Not ridiculous unrealistic scenario claims.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because people don't do it, doesn't mean you can't lol.

I do that sort of thing duo'ing sometimes. The main reason larger groups tend not to is because when the inevitable death happens sooner or later you get the "why weren't you helping us??" argument and it sours people on the whole thing. EQ has a way of teaching people to be risk averse. But, yeah, easier camps like disco, it's an option. One area it's beneficial to do that, still an easier area but a high-traffic one, is the outer spiders in Velketor (the frenzies). P99's ruleset officially treats the named like separate camps so if you get some rule-lawyer trying to muscle his way in, a group can split and hold them down individually.

The problem here is the only camps you're going to do that at are all going to be easier areas which kind of fall beneath the needs of "best" composition. If we're talking about "best" anything in Sebilis (for example) I want to be talking about crypt or myconids, not disco or chef.

Danth