Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Enchanters are providing the vast majority of the DPS via charmed pets. The Mage pet isn't doing that much hehe. Shamans can do fine DPS-wise.

Shaman pet has 2400 HP with FoS, and you can Torpor it. That is decently tanky. A Water pet only has 2500 HP hehe. It is providing security just fine, plus all the Shaman healing/slows/buffs.

I am not considering Epic Pets, because that is just really rare hehe. There are a LOT more Torpor Shamans than Epic Mages.

I'm not denying shamans can do decent dps. But if it's substantially behind a mage providing DS/dots/nukes with a phinny staff water pet(since we're not assuming epics) then there's no point to having them really.

It's hard to know this though, we'd have to see what a shaman vs mage could sustain at 60.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not denying shamans can do decent dps. But if it's substantially behind a mage providing DS/dots/nukes with a phinny staff water pet(since we're not assuming epics) then there's no point to having them really.

It's hard to know this though, we'd have to see what a shaman vs mage could sustain at 60.

Yeah I would love to see some mage DPS data. I could provide the Shaman DPS data.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I would love to see some mage DPS data. I could provide the Shaman DPS data.

Troxx has a 60 mage and has run many parses, I am betting he can provide this data as well.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx has a 60 mage and has run many parses, I am betting he can provide this data as well.

I haven’t parsed mage pets since the nerf but in a standard group combining my dps from nukes and pet dps I’d usually put out 100-120 dps sustained (not factoring in dmg shield). 100-120 is a huge range mind you and this is just an average of fights. Some will be lower in the 80 range and others higher in the 140 range. Burst dps? Cracking well above the 200 is very doable if you’re sitting on the mana and aggro is no concern.

This ignores mage DS which, though not astronomical adds up very efficiently over time. Can’t really parse this but can calculate because every time the mob hits your DS target it adds a fixed amount of damage. Quad and unslowed very healthy damage. Slowed and doubling? Not so much.

But … mages can suffer in. Bad group setup. In a fast chain pulling melee heavy group with no clarity it’s gonna be a lot lower than sitting in a group that has clarity +/- bard. It’s basically then just your pets dps plus your sustained dps potential over time medding at 20 a tick with no buffs. If the pulls never stop you basically baby sit your pet and lob a bomb at slow rates. This is still better dps than most non raid geared melee can manage and certainly higher than a shaman lol.

On the flip side if you’re sitting in a mana rich group with less than chain pulls (ie any modicum of downtime really ramps up potential) … mages take off like a rocket.

Mage dps potential in groups is really only second to charmed pets. They are, however, quite variable depending on group composition and location.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In PoP the best 4 casters / /priest crew was 3 mages + 1 cleric.... or just 4 mages

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx has a 60 mage and has run many parses, I am betting he can provide this data as well.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...0&postcount=19


Again … yeah I was asked to provide input and data - which I did

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clearly you are the one smoking. I said logs, not parses. Parses come from logs. If you have the parses, you have the logs too, and can post them on request. Two years and no logs.

You posted hundreds of troll posts instead to dodge having to post the logs. Allishia had to do it for you.

Beggars can’t be choosers. Parses are directly reflective of logs. Take off your tinfoil conspiracy theory hat.

And no, I’m not going to start video taping my gaming sessions either.

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I would love to see some mage DPS data. I could provide the Shaman DPS data.

A max level focused water pet can do 45-50 DPS on Vindi, so for group content you could expect probably closer to 60? 33 point DS is obviously a large amount of DPS but would parse differently on every encounter, and then you can add in nukes situationally. I don't have any parses to offer but I think it's safe to say that a mage could do 70ish at least in a group setting.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by Balimon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A max level focused water pet can do 45-50 DPS on Vindi, so for group content you could expect probably closer to 60? 33 point DS is obviously a large amount of DPS but would parse differently on every encounter, and then you can add in nukes situationally. I don't have any parses to offer but I think it's safe to say that a mage could do 70ish at least in a group setting.

Can also count the DPS from muzzling the chanter pets if they aren't using something like Tola Robes.

[Raj]

Sorry DSM, but shaman and enchanter together always created a bit of redundancy in classic EQ. 2 chanters + mage + cleric is far more dps/raw power than shammy + 2 chanters + cleric.

It should be no great mystery why...just like the druid in EQ, the shaman is also a hybrid spellcaster. Druid is a cleric/wizard hybrid with a good damage shield, run speed, regen, + minor str buffs for some uniqueness.

In EQ, the shaman is a hybrid of cleric, enchanter, and necro - with potionmaking, stat buffs, run speed buffs, and a nice resistance debuff shared with mages for a bit more uniqueness... in exchange for all this hybridness, there is no paci/charm ability from the parent enchanter class, no CH/rez from parent cleric class just like druid, far less dot lines than necro, far weaker pet than necro.

Shaman is a very powerful class but way too redundant with 2 enchanters and a competent cleric and mage if you're going for some rhetorical optimal combo of spell-casters.

PS With cleric buffs and a competent cleric with c2, a charmed pet should not require torpor in 95% of normal situations with level 60 or near-that enchanters, and torpor nerfs the hell out of any hasted melee's DPS......especially a dual-wielding enchanter hasted charm pet

[NPC]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I would love to see some mage DPS data. I could provide the Shaman DPS data.

I was in the Arena with my guild one time, it was me and a 58 monk in a group by ourselves since we had an uneven number of people. We were the xp group for the raid. My 60 Mage water pet backstabing and my free clicky 333 dmg staff, mixing in my 59th level 1k nukes between meds/clicky plus the monk damage. My 60 Mage could sustain 4k-5k+ a min infinitely when you could med while clickies would cast.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by NPC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was in the Arena with my guild one time, it was me and a 58 monk in a group by ourselves since we had an uneven number of people. We were the xp group for the raid. My 60 Mage water pet backstabing and my free clicky 333 dmg staff, mixing in my 59th level 1k nukes between meds/clicky plus the monk damage. My 60 Mage could sustain 4k-5k+ a min infinitely when you could med while clickies would cast.

Thanks for the data! That is 66-83 DPS roughly speaking. My 60 Shaman with Epic can DPS in that range too when focusing on root rotting and using a pet. Those Shaman numbers are PvE specific, since this thread is about PvE. I don't play on Red or use Arenas, so I can't say if the PvP aspect of your data has a discrepacy with PvE.