P99 is a Meritocracy, not a Democracy

[ScruffMacBuff]

Originally Posted by SantagarBrax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the last time, it's not about pixels once you have been raiding for years. Decades even. The true fun of the game is within the competition, countering another guilds' innovated tactics to encounters.

None of these encounters are singularly difficult without competition. They're all in fact rather easy and become boring without the competition. The only difficulties include the human interactive experience.

How can I make this any clearer?

It's crystal clear, but it's also just your opinion.

YOU think the true fun of the game is within the competition.

YOU think the true of of the game is countering other guilds tactics.

What YOU fail to realize is that people are allowed to have different opinions, and that you have to share this server with a whole bunch of em.

So if we have to share, why is it so fucking hard to even consider meeting in the middle?

Why is it so hard to realize the irony of your argument? That irony being the complaining from you and detoxx about us trying to force you into a playstyle you don't like, when you're the ones holding up progress by being the 1/7 against it. Literally forcing your play style on others like the absolute hypocrites you always have been.

And yes I realize you ain't VQ anymore, but you're apparently so principled you can't change your mind.

[Arvan]

Originally Posted by ScruffMacBuff [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's crystal clear, but it's also just your opinion.

YOU think the true fun of the game is within the competition.

YOU think the true of of the game is countering other guilds tactics.

What YOU fail to realize is that people are allowed to have different opinions, and that you have to share this server with a whole bunch of em.

So if we have to share, why is it so fucking hard to even consider meeting in the middle?

Why is it so hard to realize the irony of your argument? That irony being the complaining from you and detoxx about us trying to force you into a playstyle you don't like, when you're the ones holding up progress by being the 1/7 against it. Literally forcing your play style on others like the absolute hypocrites you always have been.

And yes I realize you ain't VQ anymore, but you're apparently so principled you can't change your mind.

He's a toddler in a sandbox who cries/gets angry when someone asks him to share his toys. That really is the very best analogy.

[whathappenedhere]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's a toddler in a sandbox who cries/gets angry when someone asks him to share his toys. That really is the very best analogy.

Isn't it more like there's been a sandbox operating for 20+ years without welfare toys.
Recently, a couple people want to makes sure there are welfare toys in this sandbox for the poor kids even though there are sandboxes everywhere else that have plenty of welfare toys. These people want to go to the last sandbox without welfare toys and decide "hey this place should have welfare toys like every other sandbox!!"

Maybe I'm wrong, but that is kinda what it looks like.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by whathappenedhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't it more like there's been a sandbox operating for 20+ years without welfare toys.
Recently, a couple people want to makes sure there are welfare toys in this sandbox for the poor kids even though there are sandboxes everywhere else that have plenty of welfare toys. These people want to go to the last sandbox without welfare toys and decide "hey this place should have welfare toys like every other sandbox!!"

Maybe I'm wrong, but that is kinda what it looks like.

It's definitely super important to gatekeep as much of the loot on a fake everquest server as you possibly can. That's a very normal and healthy thing that non-psychopaths do.

[whathappenedhere]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's definitely super important to gatekeep as much of the loot on a fake everquest server as you possibly can. That's a very normal and healthy thing that non-psychopaths do.

What gatekeeping? There are plenty of toys in the sandbox (mountains of toys after all these years even). There is no one stopping you from going out and getting all the toys you want. This is the way it has always been. That's uninstanced Everquest. Unless you are talking about that weirdo that says "warder loot" every post. For the past 5 years, its mainly just been Riot coordinating the zerg and doing the work to get the toys, and more recently Vanquish.

Instead of going and getting the toys just like Riot did for the past few years, you all want to change the rules for the only remaining unique sandbox so that the welfare toys can be given to you just like every other sandbox! Green2.0 might be a good idea if you guys are so bored on Blue you want to constantly change the rules.

It used to be the case that guilds would rise and fall, but now with all these changes of rooted dragons, bag limits, rotations, drafts, rolling for KT, etc. Everything has stagnated because there is enough of a pixel IV drip to keep any guild alive indefinitely, just soak the tracking roles and dump DKP when the welfare pixels come around! Over time, let's keep asking for more welfare pixels too!

Maybe I'm just and old man that is resistant to change or maybe you guys are trying to destroy the last reaming scraps of an attempt at a classic Everquest server. /shrug

[Allishia]

Originally Posted by whathappenedhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What gatekeeping? There are plenty of toys in the sandbox (mountains of toys after all these years even). There is no one stopping you from going out and getting all the toys you want. This is the way it has always been. That's uninstanced Everquest. Unless you are talking about that weirdo that says "warder loot" every post. For the past 5 years, its mainly just been Riot coordinating the zerg and doing the work to get the toys, and more recently Vanquish.

Instead of going and getting the toys just like Riot did for the past few years, you all want to change the rules for the only remaining unique sandbox so that the welfare toys can be given to you just like every other sandbox! Green2.0 might be a good idea if you guys are so bored on Blue you want to constantly change the rules.

It used to be the case that guilds would rise and fall, but now with all these changes of rooted dragons, bag limits, rotations, drafts, rolling for KT, etc. Everything has stagnated because there is enough of a pixel IV drip to keep any guild alive indefinitely, just soak the tracking roles and dump DKP when the welfare pixels come around! Over time, let's keep asking for more welfare pixels too!

Maybe I'm just and old man that is resistant to change or maybe you guys are trying to destroy the last reaming scraps of an attempt at a classic Everquest server. /shrug

Ya I really don't understand it, they could compete on targets and have a blast. Way more fun engaging the mob instantly with questionable numbers and pulling off a win...then just sitting in line waiting for hand outs..

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya I really don't understand it, they could compete on targets and have a blast. Way more fun engaging the mob instantly with questionable numbers and pulling off a win...then just sitting in line waiting for hand outs..

The fact you equate pixels in a video game to handouts is sad. None of y’all are competing when it mattered, the game is long done now and you weren’t there. Consider competing when the server is fresh on yellow (you won’t). This isn’t competition we are in year 7 of farming content.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by whathappenedhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no one stopping you from going out and getting all the toys you want.

Players who autofire, file alter, and script. Doing so delegitimizes loot that might be obtained otherwise. It also undercuts what motivation rule-abiding players might have in a competitive environment. Also, training has been pretty effective at stopping players from getting the toys they want.

Originally Posted by whathappenedhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you all want to change the rules for the only remaining unique sandbox so that the welfare toys can be given to you just like every other sandbox!

Establish that little to no cheating is taking place and that those who disregard the rules/deny culpability are appropriately punished in a timely manner so that 46+ content is an equal playing field, otherwise all claims of welfare are meaningless.

Originally Posted by whathappenedhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe you guys are trying to destroy the last reaming scraps of an attempt at a classic Everquest server. /shrug

The same argument could be made against those already mentioned, players who have made raiding a farce, all in the name of competition, thanks to their willingness to make use of every advantage out there, rules be damned.

Speaking generally, competition does feel better overall compared to roll/rotations, because having to compete imbues all of the sought-after items with memorable stories. So when the player is standing staring at a wall looking over their inventory, it isn't just a sheet of stats but a more personal collage of encounters. That said, when the competitive memories connected to those items are all terrible and make any sane person question why they even log on, roll/rotations are without question superior.

[Ennewi]

Also, it isn't exactly competitive if total wipes are averted thanks to alt armies. Have more self-imposed restrictions and remove that safety net for greater risk versus reward.

[whathappenedhere]

Yeah Ennewi, I get your point about cheating and that sucks. I'm more keen to remove the cheaters rather than change the rules.

In my mind, staff should just purge the cheaters indefinitely. Unfortunately, staff has been MIA for a bit (looks like this might be changing with new promotions though, fingers crossed!).

But haven't most of the cheating issues been resolved? Hasn't Stunningly basically been forced off the server? Maybe there are others I'm not aware of, but I agree cheaters should be named, shamed, and removed permanently. Any guild that routinely houses cheaters should be dismantled by the GMs.

Also, lol at the nicest elf on the server being compared to Toxigen. Ayiyi