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[Jibartik]

lol democrats defending military we are full circle boyos!

Loramin, only thing I have to say is our geography is what kept us safe, not our military.

our military kept us fat.

live by the sword, and we will die by the sword.

Im ok with that.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if democratic don't win election, is time for to revolt then?

Our whole system was designed to have bloodless revolutions every few years: that's the beauty of it. Our founding fathers knew we couldn't all just get along, and knew we would have revolutions: they counted on it.

But, they didn't want them to be violent, Revolutionary War-style revolutions: they wanted them to be peaceful ones. And that's exactly what happens: if the Democrats or Republicans don't "win" this election cycle, they just gear up for the next one.

Every few years control over power shifts: one side or the other takes over one branch of government or the other. The other side isn't happy, but they don't have a bloody revolution over it (well, Trump tried a little, but normally they don't).

Instead, they just try to win the next election, ie. have a blood-less revolution in their favor next time. Eventually they do, then the other side tries to fight back, and the cycle continues ... all without anyone killing anyone.

Go founding fathers! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jibartik]

Our whole system was designed to have bloodless revolutions every few years: that's the beauty of it. Our founding fathers knew we couldn't all just get along, and knew we would have revolutions: they counted on it.

Now one must ask, was the long term effects of this "idea some guys had" actually the best?

Our global empire is going bananas faster than any other global empire in history.

Sure takes a lot of faith in this system that isn't religion that it will work? Since last time it lead to a great depression, and then world wars to solve that problem, and now its headed to another great depression, and maybe world wars to solve that again?

Seems like a cycle to me.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol democrats defending military we are full circle boyos!

Loramin, only thing I have to say is our geography is what kept us safe, not our military.

our military kept us fat.

Without our military Russia would just nuke us [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The geography of some water in-between us won't change that.

Look, I don't like militaries in general, and I really don't like all the crap that comes with them here in America (eg. the military-industrial complex).

But again, going to extremes on either side (ie. throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater) is not the answer: it's not "let's have a military dictatorship" or "let's just hold hands and send the Russians good thoughts so they don't nuke us".

It should be (IMHO) "let's have a strong, well run and well-regulated military, with a strong system of civilian governance overseeing it".

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now one must ask, was the long term effects of this "idea some guys had" actually the best?

Our global empire is going bananas faster than any other global empire in history.

Sure takes a lot of faith in this system that isn't religion that it will work? Since last time it lead to a great depression, and then world wars to solve that problem, and now its headed to another great depression, and maybe world wars to solve that again?

Seems like a cycle to me.

Democracy is a terrible solution ... but it's still better than every other option.

The fundamental problem is, people suck. Unfortunately, we can't (yet) change that.

But if you can at least setup a system of incentives (eg. the democratic system of America) to channel that suckiness in the right ways, it sucks less [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Certainly less than dictatorships, which are really the only other viable approach.

[Jibartik]

I didn't say anything about democracy, that's a lot older than the USA.

I was talking about capitalism.

Its the same old same old with the establishment. It's addicted to consumerism, and it thinks the rest of the world is too, so it just pushes the western ideals on everyone with its overblown military industrial complex that does nothing but offence since the day you were born.

Nothing is going to work out, the end is coming, and it's coming because of consumerism.

It destroyed the planet. Full stop. No argument can change that. It may have killed us all in the end.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say anything about democracy, that's a lot older than the USA.

I was talking about capitalism.

Im not even gonna dignify your "we need military because the threat of musilm terrorists" which you just changed muslim terrorists to russia"

its the same old same old with the establishment. You're addicted to consumerism, and you think the rest of us are too, think about it!

Nothing is going to work out, the end is coming, and it's coming because of consumerism.

It destroyed the planet. Full stop. No argument can change that. It may have killed us all in the end.

The American system of democracy is only as old as America; what the Greeks did was certainly in the same vein, but it was not the same system (by a long shot).

But consumerism != democracy and consumerism != military. It's a separate beast ... but the main source feeding that beast is the overpowered corporations in our society.

It's corporations (which did not exist, in their modern form at least, when our founders set everything up) that are killing this planet. It's their sole focus on profit above all else that forces them to find new ways for us all to consume this planet.

[Jibartik]

It's corporations (which did not exist, in their modern form at least, when our founders set everything up) that are killing this planet. It's their sole focus on profit above all else that forces them to find new ways for us all to consume this planet.

Yeah? And what is giving them this power? (hint: the military industrial complex)

Get ready: A cold war with a generation of children who never even knew someone lived through a world war, is going to end in a world war.

And the biggest threat against us was made by decisions that our goverment made about manufacturing things cheaper so we could consume more.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah? And what is giving them this power? (hint: the military industrial complex)

Get ready: A cold war with a generation of children who never even knew someone lived through a world war, is going to end in a world war.

And the biggest threat against us was made by decisions that our goverment made about manufacturing things cheaper so we could consume more.

A few generations who always had work. And food if they really wanted it. Those are going away bois!

[Jibartik]

We have to globla thermo nuclear war to make sure we have peace on earth lol