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Old 07-27-2022, 10:23 AM
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Im sick of this country being about 1 thing its stupid waste of everyones time.

The news just loves how much money they make from people who want to talk about it.

Trump would be irrelevant if you guys could actually made biden deliver on a single thing biden campaigned on.

Instead you're so distracted about trump you dont care about biden at all!

You have your shot and you're blowing it. Get ready for trump 2, because of all of your support.
"you guys"??? I'm not a Democrat lol

And the country is hardly focused on just 1 thing. Do you read the news? People are very focused on Biden's actions, just look at his approval rating.

This is a momentous moment for the future of our country though. You have a former President being roped into a criminal probe around whether he tried to fraudulently keep a legitimate election from becoming effective, and whether he incited violence when his fraudulent efforts didn't work. Historically, that is a massive deal...and it's extremely important for the future of our country that people are held accountable. If people are not held accountable, that sends a signal that you don't have to abide by the democratic process...for instance, Biden could just manipulate things so he remains in power in 2024 (you wouldn't want that would you?) or a future President could do that. This is a huge deal for our future and it's important to focus on in addition to the other things that are also important to pay attention to.
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Old 07-27-2022, 10:23 AM
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by you guys i mean people who hate trump (which you do) who wont stop talking about them.

Bidens actions? What actions??

Nobody is held accountale for anything, if I asked for biden to be held accountable you'd fly off the chain about how I was a trumper.
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Old 07-27-2022, 10:31 AM
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DOJ won't do crap. A real criminal case where hearsay isn't permitted?

Nah, we just wanted to make it look as bad as possible for Trump without having a real case, real judge, real lawyers, and due process.

But I know "walls closing in" right? ha
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Old 07-27-2022, 10:34 AM
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It's all political theater.

If we were to actually hold our leaders accountable, we'd have to put them ALL in jail.

And that goes for most CEO's too.

Too many people in leadership positions think that would cause more suffering than just ignoring it.
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Old 07-27-2022, 10:39 AM
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DOJ won't do crap. A real criminal case where hearsay isn't permitted?

Nah, we just wanted to make it look as bad as possible for Trump without having a real case, real judge, real lawyers, and due process.

But I know "walls closing in" right? ha
Explained to you already how the vast majority of statements made aren't hearsay, but ignore it all you want (or you're just unable to understand it, which a lot of people aren't - not the simplest rule of evidence by a long shot).


One of the best recent pieces of evidence btw:

"In emails reviewed by The New York Times and authenticated by people who had worked with the Trump campaign at the time, one lawyer involved in the detailed discussions repeatedly used the word 'fake' to refer to the so-called electors, who were intended to provide Vice President Mike Pence and Mr. Trump’s allies in Congress a rationale for derailing the congressional process of certifying the outcome," The Times reported. "And lawyers working on the proposal made clear they knew that the pro-Trump electors they were putting forward might not hold up to legal scrutiny."


"In a call on Dec. 27, 2020, witnesses have said, Trump told acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen that he wanted his Justice Department to say there was significant election fraud, and said he was poised to oust Rosen and replace him with Clark, who was willing to make that assertion.

Rosen told Trump that the Justice Department could not “flip a switch and change the election,” according to notes of the conversation cited by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“I don’t expect you to do that,” Trump responded, according to the notes. “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.”

The president urged Rosen to “just have a press conference.” Rosen refused. “We don’t see that,” he told Trump. “We’re not going to have a press conference.”"
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Old 07-27-2022, 10:40 AM
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by you guys i mean people who hate trump (which you do) who wont stop talking about them.

Bidens actions? What actions??

Nobody is held accountale for anything, if I asked for biden to be held accountable you'd fly off the chain about how I was a trumper.
If Biden tried to create fake electors and tried to incite violence to prevent certification of a lawful election I'd say he needs to be held criminally accountable. I'm not really a Biden supporter...I don't think he's doing a very good job by any means. I voted for him because Trump had become a raging dumpster fire lol
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Old 07-27-2022, 10:41 AM
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Explained to you already how the vast majority of statements made aren't hearsay, but ignore it all you want (or you're just unable to understand it, which a lot of people aren't - not the simplest rule of evidence by a long shot).


One of the best recent pieces of evidence btw:

"In emails reviewed by The New York Times and authenticated by people who had worked with the Trump campaign at the time, one lawyer involved in the detailed discussions repeatedly used the word 'fake' to refer to the so-called electors, who were intended to provide Vice President Mike Pence and Mr. Trump’s allies in Congress a rationale for derailing the congressional process of certifying the outcome," The Times reported. "And lawyers working on the proposal made clear they knew that the pro-Trump electors they were putting forward might not hold up to legal scrutiny."


"In a call on Dec. 27, 2020, witnesses have said, Trump told acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen that he wanted his Justice Department to say there was significant election fraud, and said he was poised to oust Rosen and replace him with Clark, who was willing to make that assertion.

Rosen told Trump that the Justice Department could not “flip a switch and change the election,” according to notes of the conversation cited by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“I don’t expect you to do that,” Trump responded, according to the notes. “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.”

The president urged Rosen to “just have a press conference.” Rosen refused. “We don’t see that,” he told Trump. “We’re not going to have a press conference.”"
And then the system worked.

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If Biden tried to create fake electors and tried to incite violence to prevent certification of a lawful election I'd say he needs to be held criminally accountable. I'm not really a Biden supporter...I don't think he's doing a very good job by any means. I voted for him because Trump had become a raging dumpster fire lol
But you see, I dont think thats what happened and you get mad when I dont agree with you.

So mad that we cant do anything but fight over it.

Why do I have to care that you care about trump when you openly say you dont care about the criminal activity that I think is much worse for the country?

You got rid of trump, now you want to double get rid of him, instead of dealing with the guy you voted for you say you dont even support and dont think hes doing a very good job by any means.

YOU got us here, so now FIX IT! Dont just ignore solving the problems you thought trump was doing so poorly you voted for the other guy (that you didnt even support!)
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Old 07-27-2022, 10:42 AM
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If Biden tried to create fake electors and tried to incite violence to prevent certification of a lawful election I'd say he needs to be held criminally accountable. I'm not really a Biden supporter...I don't think he's doing a very good job by any means. I voted for him because Trump had become a raging dumpster fire lol
If state legislatures had gone for it, would it have been legit?

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Old 07-27-2022, 10:49 AM
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Explained to you already how the vast majority of statements made aren't hearsay, but ignore it all you want (or you're just unable to understand it, which a lot of people aren't - not the simplest rule of evidence by a long shot).


One of the best recent pieces of evidence btw:

"In emails reviewed by The New York Times and authenticated by people who had worked with the Trump campaign at the time, one lawyer involved in the detailed discussions repeatedly used the word 'fake' to refer to the so-called electors, who were intended to provide Vice President Mike Pence and Mr. Trump’s allies in Congress a rationale for derailing the congressional process of certifying the outcome," The Times reported. "And lawyers working on the proposal made clear they knew that the pro-Trump electors they were putting forward might not hold up to legal scrutiny."


"In a call on Dec. 27, 2020, witnesses have said, Trump told acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen that he wanted his Justice Department to say there was significant election fraud, and said he was poised to oust Rosen and replace him with Clark, who was willing to make that assertion.

Rosen told Trump that the Justice Department could not “flip a switch and change the election,” according to notes of the conversation cited by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

“I don’t expect you to do that,” Trump responded, according to the notes. “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.”

The president urged Rosen to “just have a press conference.” Rosen refused. “We don’t see that,” he told Trump. “We’re not going to have a press conference.”"
No, you threw up a bunch of possible ways hearsay in general can be admitted. I sent you a link to the actual law and asked you to pick a bullet point from the list of exceptions that does apply to the specific instance we were discussing. Cricket chirping ensued.

DOJ won't do crap. There will be no criminal charges. All theatre, per usual.
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Old 07-27-2022, 10:51 AM
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Country in a recession, record high gas prices, record high inflation, new wars and money laundering to fill Biden crony pockets in Ukraine (including his crackhead son) and dems trying desperately with distract because they don't want people to think about their pathetic failures so badly

Literally Wag The Doggy and Biden cucks too stupid to see it
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