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[Danth]

You could probably brain someone with a head strike, yeah. For obvious reasons we didn't hit each other in the head with those things in training.

But the arms and legs, especially the meaty areas? I promise you those things aren't nearly as effective as you've been trained they are by hollywood movies.

Danth

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it isn't, not unless you're hitting an 80 year old woman or something. We trained with those collapsible ASPs plenty and I was readily able to shield myself from direct blows and continue attacking. At worst I ended up with some bruises. You're not stopping anyone with those things unless either through intimidation, or if you get him in a soft spot like the knees or the nerve cluster up near the shoulder/neck area. We were trained to aim at those types of areas for just that reason. I had so little faith in those things I kept a PR-24 handy as much as I could. On top of that, in a lot of jurisdictions it's illegal for people to carry those collapsible batons around, falls under the same classification as things like brass knuckles. Be sure to check your local laws.


Danth

Does it matter where on the stick you block it?

[Trexller]

there is a huge problem with collapsible batons. in any bodily location where they are non-lethal, they are absolutely ineffective, in any location where they could stop an assailant, they are like 95% lethal.

I've heard cops say that the best use for their baton is to scratch their back while wearing their vests.

If you wanna use a collapsible baton to stop a person, you have to crack their skull, eye socket, etc. It doesn't do shit against knee/elbow joints, it doesnt have the inertial mass to do so.

It's supposed to be a non-lethal takedown weapon, but it doesn't do jack shit unless lethal force is applied. and it cannot lock down an arm or a leg any better than arms or hands would. Moreover, given its length and proximity to the assailant, it can easily be taken from you.

Yeah its made of metal, so what? its hollow, it doesnt have the weight needed to knock someone to the ground unless they are off balance.

look up some youtube vids from actual martial arts instructors, the collapsible baton is useless by its own design. I'd go back to the side handle "T baton".

Time to invest in auto-reloading tazers, with variable voltage.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does it matter where on the stick you block it?

Always. You catch it mid-stick it'll always hurt way less than if you catch the end. That's because damage done by striking weapons is mainly a function of velocity.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Always. You catch it mid-stick it'll always hurt way less than if you catch the end. That's because damage done by striking weapons is mainly a function of velocity.

And the person of knife will always be trying to close the distance to get it up in ya.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Always. You catch it mid-stick it'll always hurt way less than if you catch the end. That's because damage done by striking weapons is mainly a function of velocity.

this guy doesn't know melee combat, outside of EQ

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could probably brain someone with a head strike, yeah. For obvious reasons we didn't hit each other in the head with those things in training.

But the arms and legs, especially the meaty areas? I promise you those things aren't nearly as effective as you've been trained they are by hollywood movies.

Danth

Any type of training with a blunt object vs a rubber or plastic knife is going to be skewed in perception

Why? Because you are assuming every contact made with that knife is a deep potentially fatal cut, but the person swinging the blunt object not only can’t swing as fast as they would in a fight, nor as hard as they would in a fight to death

So to say something like (not saying you are claiming this, just in general), “I killed my assailant who had a baton with my knife every time and only sustained minor bruising” is the same as saying “I spent a 3 month training camp sparring a UFC champion and never was knocked out once, therefore his striking is slow and ineffective”. It’s sparring. They aren’t going full bore

If they were, I’d imagine you’d need some sort of body armor which once again would lessen the perception of the damage caused

But regardless, I may adjust my weapon of choice to a wooden combat stick my dad got me, more reach and faster. Swimming laps in a minute but can take a pic of it when I get home to show, it’s made for stick combat

[starkind]

Blunt force trauma gives blood clots and also causes toxicity from dying cells. Healthy ppl usually survive this if it's not in the head, covering over a 3rd of their body or doesn't crush their femur or cause a boney bit to sever and artery or puncture a lung.

It's plenty lethal, just not sometimes immediately so.

That said people will beat the shit out of eachother and strike head, neck, callors, kidneys eyes and shit with batons, staffs, and poles lol.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this guy doesn't know melee combat, outside of EQ

If you mean I don't, I used to be a police officer, so I speak from personal experience. If you mean the other guy, probably not, but that's why I'm trying to help.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blunt force trauma gives blood clots and also causes toxicity from dying cells. Healthy ppl usually survive this if it's not in the head, covering over a 3rd of their body or doesn't crush their femur or cause a boney bit to sever and artery or puncture a lung.

It's plenty lethal, just not sometimes immediately so.

That said people will beat the shit out of eachother and strike head, neck, callors, kidneys eyes and shit with batons, staffs, and poles lol.

I'm pretty good with a bo staff.