14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, it doesn't matter how restrictive your gun laws are (how much of your own rights you give away to the government) you won't make yourself more safe from teenagers on killing spreeds (freedom for security trade off). Hoping that allowing the government to have MORE power will fix this problem is fruitless. The government is not interested in saving lives. They will jump at the opportunity to take away your rights, but truly are not concerned with your well being. If you want to talk about evidence, show me one instance where increasing the governments power has been of benefit to "the governed" aka to you an I. This is not a problem that we can solve by simply voting away our rights. Blaming our freedom for these deaths.

It is a problem of our diseased society. It is something we can solve, but not by spending time on divisive political strategies rather than effective community strategies. And to those who say that communities are not able or willing to solve these problems, I will say that you might be right. But it is the only way to be successful so it is worth your efforts and the efforts of everyone you know to try to create a culture where the health of all living things including humans and their mental health are a priority rather than corporate profits. What we are talking about is not some nebulous non human "corporate" greed. We are talking about actual human greed, the greed that is currently instrumentalized to drive people to work long hours for poorer and poorer pay for the hope that one day that can achieve a status of no longer having to work and sitting finally on their high horse or in their high castle where they too can be an exploiter of some kind. What a dream we have.

Right now $$ profits are the absolute reining monarchy in our government and in the hearts of most of out citizens. It is this erroneous priority that will certainly be our demise. It is the correction of this error by smallest incremental changes (by individuals like the EQ addicts on this forum) that is the only hope for actually making things better. Passing new laws whether it be in favor of guns or against guns or in favor of abortion of against abortion or in favor of immigration or against immigration or in favor of giving ukraine 40 billion +++ dollars in weapons or against giving ukraine 40 billion +++ dollars in weapons will have absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the demise of our country and our world and the degradation of the lives of our children and their posterity. "The powers that be" may or may not be pure evil, but they cannot commit evil acts without first convincing you and I to let them do so.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The internet doesn't cause mental illness, no one giving a damn about eachother does. It might make it easier to see though, because there is so much written evidence now.

I was with you right up to the part where you dont admit dog cat on computer causes illness.

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[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The internet doesn't cause mental illness, no one giving a damn about eachother does. It might make it easier to see though, because there is so much written evidence now.

Kids are being raised on pills and an absence of morality but it's "the guns' or something

[Gustoo]

Jib - as much as I think the internet should be closed down immediately and its history erased from the history of humanity, if we didn't act like scum to eachother, the internet would be the equivalent of the technology that allows starfleet to travel the universe.

Instead it is seen as just another tool by psychopaths to extract money and value and life from other humans.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jib - as much as I think the internet should be closed down immediately and its history erased from the history of humanity, if we didn't act like scum to eachother, the internet would be the equivalent of the technology that allows starfleet to travel the universe.

Instead it is seen as just another tool by psychopaths to extract money and value and life from other humans.

200 years of computer diseases say no to terrorism .21

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By this same argument I could say if we exterminated 90% of the population that there'd be less crime and violence in general too.

Like just because that fact is true does not mean it makes sense.

Except that it makes sense in every other country around the world where they don't have gun issues like ours. It's like saving the lives of innocent school children suddenly becomes so evil thing here in 'Merica, because we need guns to protect ourselves from the government ...

... nevermind that your government could crush you with a bomb dropped from a plane thousands of feet overhead if it wanted to. Guns are useless for the one thing gun nuts claim they're "essential" for ... but they're great for killing innocent people.

[Rethalis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except that it makes sense in every other country around the world where they don't have gun issues like ours. It's like saving the lives of innocent school children suddenly becomes so evil thing here in 'Merica, because we need guns to protect ourselves from the government ...

... nevermind that your government could crush you with a bomb dropped from a plane thousands of feet overhead if it wanted to. Guns are useless for the one thing gun nuts claim they're "essential" for ... but they're great for killing innocent people.

United States has a deadbeat dad and fatherless children problem not a gun problem.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Rethalis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

United States has a deadbeat dad and fatherless children problem not a gun problem.

If that is really the problem then what do you suggest as potential solutions?

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except that it makes sense in every other country around the world where they don't have gun issues like ours. It's like saving the lives of innocent school children suddenly becomes so evil thing here in 'Merica, because we need guns to protect ourselves from the government ...

Every other country does not have ameican exceptionalism or individualism either.

So you cant just say guns are the 1 thing that's different there are like a million things that are different that are as big as guns.

Weather Americans want to admit it mass killings are just American culture.

As recent as 1960 it was basically organized by the state in the form of klan rallies.

There is just more to this than what you're saying.

... nevermind that your government could crush you with a bomb dropped from a plane thousands of feet overhead if it wanted to. Guns are useless for the one thing gun nuts claim they're "essential" for ... but they're great for killing innocent people.

Look at the fact that in ukraine right now citizens owning guns just saved their ass from a russian invasion because they were armed and they dont have school shootings there.

[Gustoo]

A government doesn't benefit from nuclear bombing their own land, or by regular bombing it. The fact that the government has more power than ever is no argument in favor of giving them still more power over us, the ruled. Just because a population can be exterminated by poison gas or nuclear bomb does not have a meaningful negative impact on the usefulness of weapons against tyranny. Ask any tyrant in history. Ask Putin presently.

Loramin I don't see anyone making the argument that stripping the legal ownership of guns away from Americans would have no reduction in school shootings. It would.

The argument anti gun people make is that we will be more safe without guns. There is no evidence to support this argument.

The argument that possibly you are the only one in the world is trying to make is "if there were no guns, no one would die from guns" that is not an argument that needs making because it is a logical fact.

If I had no legs I could never kick someone
If I had no arms I could never punch someone
If I had no car I could never injure someone with a car I was driving
If I had no hammer I could never hurt someone with a hammer
If I had no knife I could never hurt someone iwth a knife.

If America had no legs it could never kick anyone
If America had no arms it oculd never punch anyone
If America had no cars there would be no car injuries
If America had no hammers there would be no hammer injuries
If America had no knives there would be no knife injuries.
If there were no elephants, there would be no more unethical treatment of elephants.

These are all self evident logical facts. You do not need to make statements like this anymore Loramin.

[Jibartik]

we, a nuclear world power just lost a war in afghanastan against guys with guns

russia, a nuclear world power is losing a war against ukraine against guys with guns

Vietnam guys with guns beats a country with nukes

NK guys with guns beats a country with nukes

List goes on and on.

the totalitarian dystopian us democrat or trump run mililtary that tries to take over usa < guys with guns.