14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, it does! Less people dying means society is safer, even suicides.

And there's a critical difference with your hammer analogy: we need hammers to build things. We don't need guns, or at least not beyond basic rifles for hunting and guns for jobs like security. Beyond those functions guns do society zero good.

Again you are making a fallacious jump with your logic. Less people dying by guns does not mean less people are dying.

We need guns to fight governments. This is so critical that it was the second amendment in the bill of rights. The critical part of the analogy is that blunt force trauma can happen via baseball bats and rocks, while murder can happen via vehicles and knives and propane tanks.

[Reiwa]

I'm out for now before I start saying swears. 😇

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You must not have seen Howard the Duck

Punisher 1989 is pretty good too.

[Elizondo]

Left Wing Groomer Culture the problem

Not guns

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really don't think it's very complicated: when there are laws restricting how many and where guns can be, by definition there will be be less guns available in those places for people to use to commit gun violence ... so less gun violence occurs.

You don't need a doctorate in sociology, or even to look at the mountains of evidence (that you're ignoring) to see that more gun control = less dead people.

By this same argument I could say if we exterminated 90% of the population that there'd be less crime and violence in general too.

Like just because that fact is true does not mean it makes sense.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Left Wing Groomer Culture the problem

Not guns

We're gonna put that on the fridge right where dad and Gary can see it. Gosh, you're so smart, now go back into your room and play with your legos and try not to eat any

[Jibartik]

if the best thing getting rid of guns does is fixes accidental deaths and lowers suicide yea that's a good thing but there are other ways to do that that dont infringe on anyone's constitutional rights.

Im sure it'd cost more trying to keep guns out of peoples hands than to help people who need it too.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"its so simple all you have to do is have gun control"

"its so simple all you have to do is have security in every hallway"

"No taking guns is fascist"

"No having security is fascist"

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You need people control. That means no drugs. No aggressive, passive aggressive, or aggressive aggressive behavior, no greed, no abusive bullshit. No lies. Only Honor and integrity and duty. Everyone swears an oath and if they break it they get controlled by everyone. It's everyone's duty to do the control.

You either do that or you let us kill each other without government interference protecting in and out groups.

Sorry if I'm a fascist, not sorry.

P.S. Don't get rid of guns. Make them a privilege earned. AND still do all the rest of it. Control the morons. You don't show up for work on time, you go to the work camp. Until you can earn yourself a new job. Where you show up for work on fuckin time. And stay the fuck of ur cellphone.

And you don't have kids outside of a marriage between a male and a female for the express purpose of raising children. No one else has any other good reason to get married.

We shouldn't have to be each others parents, here we at tho.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're gonna put that on the fridge right where dad and Gary can see it. Gosh, you're so smart, now go back into your room and play with your legos and try not to eat any

You should just put me on ignore instead of whining all the time

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Highly restrictive gun laws that do nothing to prevent teenage dumdums from going on killing sprees on the regular.

Yeah, it doesn't matter how restrictive your gun laws are (how much of your own rights you give away to the government) you won't make yourself more safe from teenagers on killing spreeds (freedom for security trade off). Hoping that allowing the government to have MORE power will fix this problem is fruitless. The government is not interested in saving lives. They will jump at the opportunity to take away your rights, but truly are not concerned with your well being. If you want to talk about evidence, show me one instance where increasing the governments power has been of benefit to "the governed" aka to you an I. This is not a problem that we can solve by simply voting away our rights. Blaming our freedom for these deaths.

It is a problem of our diseased society. It is something we can solve, but not by spending time on divisive political strategies rather than effective community strategies. And to those who say that communities are not able or willing to solve these problems, I will say that you might be right. But it is the only way to be successful so it is worth your efforts and the efforts of everyone you know to try to create a culture where the health of all living things including humans and their mental health are a priority rather than corporate profits. What we are talking about is not some nebulous non human "corporate" greed. We are talking about actual human greed, the greed that is currently instrumentalized to drive people to work long hours for poorer and poorer pay for the hope that one day that can achieve a status of no longer having to work and sitting finally on their high horse or in their high castle where they too can be an exploiter of some kind. What a dream we have.

Right now $$ profits are the absolute reining monarchy in our government and in the hearts of most of out citizens. It is this erroneous priority that will certainly be our demise. It is the correction of this error by smallest incremental changes (by individuals like the EQ addicts on this forum) that is the only hope for actually making things better. Passing new laws whether it be in favor of guns or against guns or in favor of abortion of against abortion or in favor of immigration or against immigration or in favor of giving ukraine 40 billion +++ dollars in weapons or against giving ukraine 40 billion +++ dollars in weapons will have absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the demise of our country and our world and the degradation of the lives of our children and their posterity. "The powers that be" may or may not be pure evil, but they cannot commit evil acts without first convincing you and I to let them do so. You and I don't have to BELIEVE the right thing. We have to DO the right thing.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The internet doesn't cause mental illness, no one giving a damn about eachother does. It might make it easier to see though, because there is so much written evidence now.