14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about ban automatic loading weapons? I think that kills *2 birds.

You get revolvers, shotguns, and some rifles. But not repeater crossbows

(*good to eat)

I'm completely against anything like that because it is not evidence based (no documentation that it makes people safer) however, one thing for certain is that all weapons restrictions should apply to police and army personnel acting within the united states to have even a semblance of reasonableness. Anything else may as well state openly that it is an overtly pro authoritarian policy.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah man I’m super disappointed with the cop’s reaction to the shooting. Absolute cowards. An hour holding back parents and even subduing a few of them trying to get inside to pick up their kids. Then they act like they’re the heroes.

“My cousin’s out fighting dragons, and what do I get? Guard duty.”

Im disappointed Toy Soldiers turned out to be a complete lie.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm completely against anything like that because it is not evidence based (no documentation that it makes people safer)

That must be why the US army exclusively uses bolt-action rifles.

Thanks for teaching me that.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin I actually don't want to be an asshole towards you and kinda bully you in this way. I do get passionate about 2nd amendment stuff, because when it is approached rationally, the answer is incredibly clear.

It is difficult to find honest studies available anywhere about real world situations like the law passed in Maine despite that situation being a very very easy one to draw data from. When you do dig into statistics (look at Maine gun crime rates since 2015) the data virtually invariably shows no statistically significant increase in gun violence.

The only rare exceptions are when there is a corresponding increase in police lead anti gang violence or other unrelated death increasing policies.

There are many examples where "permissive" gun laws are passed, and no data is drawn or discussed. In all cases it is because the data goes against "studies" like the one you linked, that are nonsense.

The federal "assault weapons ban" expired in 2004. It was the most restrictive gun prohibition in the united states ever, and never made anyone more safe. Passing such a law again would be a best case scenario for anti-gun people, but there is no data to say that 1994-2004 was a period of unprecedented public safety, because it wasn't.

Just so you know, you can still identify as a die hard liberal and disavow a nonsense anti second ammendment viewpoint. Just like people can be conservatives and disavow the orange man (who is not a conservative)

I really don't think it's very complicated: when there are laws restricting how many and where guns can be, by definition there will be be less guns available in those places for people to use to commit gun violence ... so less gun violence occurs.

You don't need a doctorate in sociology, or even to look at the mountains of evidence (that you're ignoring) to see that more gun control = less dead people.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah man I’m super disappointed with the cop’s reaction to the shooting. Absolute cowards. An hour holding back parents and even subduing a few of them trying to get inside to pick up their kids. Then they act like they’re the heroes.

“My cousin’s out fighting dragons, and what do I get? Guard duty.”

Ya, if I was a parent having to listen to the gunshots ring out, knowing there are zero officers willing to go in there to try to neutralize the shooter and that my kid is in there, I’d either charge in unarmed or grab an officer’s gun and make them decide if they want to shoot me in the back as I rushed in

The parents of the victims are going to hold the cop’s feet to the fire on this one I think

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That must be why the US army exclusively uses bolt-action rifles.

Thanks for teaching me that.

If we're talking about military effectiveness, its obvious that a semi automatic weapon is superior to a manually cycled weapon. I would note that a revolver does well against other handguns and is of little hindrance to a skilled operator.

But we are talking about public safety within the united states, and this is the area where there is a distinct lack of evidence.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really don't think it's very complicated: when there are laws restricting how many and where guns can be, by definition there will be be less guns available in those places for people to use to commit gun violence ... so less gun violence occurs.

Yeah that is what I am saying. A reduction in gun violence due to the decrease in number of existing guns (most significantly suicides) is not an indication of an increase in public safety.

An exactly analogous situation would be if hammers were banned and the government went door to door collecting hammers. We would see a significant reduction in thumb injuries and blunt trauma caused by hammers. But that does not indicate that public safety has been increased.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we're talking about military effectiveness, its obvious that a semi automatic weapon is superior to a manually cycled weapon. I would note that a revolver does well against other handguns and is of little hindrance to a skilled operator.

But we are talking about public safety within the united states, and this is the area where there is a distinct lack of evidence.

Why wouldn't the logic apply to other settings?

[unsunghero]

Mexico is an example of a country with large amount of guns already floating around, and gun laws are working wonders for them

[unsunghero]

Gun laws in America COULD work, if there was a way to remove most of our guns before implementing them

And the best people to start removing the guns from, are the felons who shouldn’t have them legally to begin with

Bring back “stop and frisk”. Any felon with a record gets stopped and frisked. Set up checkpoints and have undercover cops on the streets

Start getting aggressive about grabbing guns, but do it from felons