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[robayon]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I have explained like a million times, killing children *ON PURPOSE*, for literally no reason other than to kill them, is significantly worse than killing a child by accident or negligently. It doesn't mean the latter is somehow okay, is that really what you think I believe?

The impass here is obviously that you don't consider babies human beings. I do. So maybe explain why they aren't human beings instead of some comparison to the obvious tragedy of kids dying in war, or cops making a split second life or death decision that kills somebody.

That isn't what I think you believe and that isn't what I believe. I have not engaged in the 'life begins at the moment of conception' argument because I don't think anyone can provide a definitive answer to that question either way. Or at least nobody that I take seriously.

I think it's just about choice. The state yields all kinds of death through a variety of means. We Americans make choices that support that, more or less, whether we want to or not. Just going to the goddamn grocery store can be causing children to die elsewhere in the world, indirectly. Certainly funding militaries and police, or various government departments. I don't get much choice in where my tax dollars go, but I could endeavor to minimize the amount I generate (living in the woods or something) ... which I don't do. I do work, and pay taxes. Another choice. Choosing which brands I purchase or don't purchase, assuming the market competition isn't an illusion and they're not all terrible. This is why we say "no ethical consumption under capitalism"

But for some reason, conservatives have decided that this particular choice - which JUUUUUST so happens to give a (conservative controlled) state a huge amount of power over women - needs to be regulated with the authority (and implied violence) of the state. This is the case whether it's a single actual state or the entire nation.

I find it all very hypocritical, for a party that's so often called itself "small government", "libertarian", "pro-freedom", et cetera. I also find the silence of the libertarian portion of the right wing pretty telling. None of the state's business.