5-4 incoming?

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

govement not solving any of these issues with YOUR money: "these things take time!"

elon not solving these issues with HIS money: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

It's not his money. Most of it. Isn't. Nor their land.

They got it through contracts with the devil through the United States. And most of it isn't real tangible money just fiat and decree. Power brokerage. You own this. I own you. Etc.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whos not offering to take care of kids? Adopting is a privilege in this country under the current law.

If some states are going to criminalize abortion than there absolutely should be some investment into adoption and fostering. Those states would need to find a way to encourage more people to adopt or foster, and by more people, I mean more of the right kind of people

And in order for it to be the right kind of people, those programs need to not lie to people (which they do) and downplay the negatives of the experience. They downplay the reality that many of these kids will have been substance exposed, abused and neglected. They will have sometimes major negative behaviors. The right kind of person is someone who knows this in advance and can handle it in a healthy way. The wrong kind of person will either bail immediately further messing the kid up, or worse abuse/neglect the kid more

The best way to motivate people is money. Offer to pay more or remove the costs to adopt. Something like that. I think it’s a foolish move to attempt to reduce or criminalize abortion without also improving infrastructure. And the same goes for pushing birth control better

[Jibartik]

Ayn Rand

That's all I have to say.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reality is the problems you are talking about have never been solved by any civilization in history. Ever. I am not saying that we shouldn't try to solve these issues, but you are basically trying to attribute problems as old as humanity to America, which is wrong.

We fix problems when we can, and abortion is an easier thing to fix than the dilemma of nations going to war, or solving poverty once and for all.

Well pardon me if I believe in the American people more than you you do. I said these problems aren't uniquely American. But maybe I think America's unique position in recent history gives us the ability to essentially save the world and create the Harmonium, but instead, we are doing explicitly the reverse of that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If some states are going to criminalize abortion than there absolutely should be some investment into adoption and fostering. Those states would need to find a way to encourage more people to adopt or foster, and by more people, I mean more of the right kind of people

And in order for it to be the right kind of people, those programs need to not lie to people (which they do) and downplay the negatives of the experience. They downplay the reality that many of these kids will have been substance exposed, abused and neglected. They will have sometimes major negative behaviors. The right kind of person is someone who knows this in advance and can handle it in a healthy way. The wrong kind of person will either bail immediately further messing the kid up, or worse abuse/neglect the kid more

The best way to motivate people is money. Offer to pay more or remove the costs to adopt. Something like that. I think it’s a foolish move to attempt to reduce or criminalize abortion without also improving infrastructure. And the same goes for pushing birth control better

I do agree. Put all the money we currently spend on abortion into those children, and future children who need help.

[Jibartik]

If some states are going to criminalize abortion than there absolutely should be some investment into adoption and fostering. Those states would need to find a way to encourage more people to adopt or foster, and by more people, I mean more of the right kind of people

That would require their empathy to be authentic, instead of them all being a bunch of amber heards.

They all spend more time trying to accuse the GOP of being hypocrites than ever once trying to solve that issue during the 40 years of abortion we've had.

The establishment is the worst, roby, why you love it so much?

[starkind]

Satan is coming people.

Get right with G-d and yourself. You won't be able to stop him. Not even by making abortion illegal. You will save no one this way.

[Jibartik]

And about brainwashing: Who the F is going to adopt a kid in a society that has fully embraced killing them until you have enough wealth to enjoy raising them while you're retired?

Pathetic society is collapsing and the people who have run the damn societal trends for the last 40 years (hipsters and lefties) are trying to argue to give them another 40, and more power.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well pardon me if I believe in the American people more than you you do. I said these problems aren't uniquely American. But maybe I think America's unique position in recent history gives us the ability to essentially save the world and create the Harmonium, but instead, we are doing explicitly the reverse of that.

Oh I do believe in the American people. I am not sure why you think I don't.

I just don't believe in criticizing America for something as silly as "they couldn't end war and poverty single-handedly".

I am simply saying you need to be careful when trying to approach a problem like "solving all poverty". Nobody has ever done it, and generally speaking trying to do so makes things worse. I don't want America to collapse simply because we reached too far. Remember the story of Icarus.

Lets solve abortion first, which is much easier, and will set a good example for the rest of the world too!

[starkind]

Jehovahs probably right in the long runs.