Sleeper being awoken tonight (April 13th)

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clearly basic logic goes over your head.

Both Sleeper and Manastone are limited time content. If you are fine with Manastone being limited time, you are also fine with Sleeper being limited time. Or are you going to complain that the Dev's are "loot denying" limited time content such as Manastone?

Also, who gives a shit about Warder loot?

Do you always act this childish and stubborn when you're wrong?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Devs remove Sleeper?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Devs remove Sleeper?

No, that isn't what I said. Both Manastone and Sleeper are time limited content. If you are going to accuse players for "loot denial", then you must also accuse dev's for "loot denial". You can't have it both ways. Sleeper is meant to be awoken.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No

Ok so then you're wrong

Got it

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so then you're wrong

Got it

You clearly cannot refute my point, so you act like a child. If my logic is so fallible, why must you resort to such a childish attempt to "win" the argument?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly cannot refute my point, so you act like a child. If my logic is so fallible, why must you resort to such a childish attempt to "win" the argument?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously guy just give it up

You're wrong

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously guy just give it up

You're wrong

Nope, your lack of argument is not an argument. It's just sad. Clearly your just being stubborn at this point.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, your lack of argument is not an argument. It's just sad. Clearly your just being stubborn at this point.

I made my argument like 5 posts ago and you can't refute it

Manastone is dev controlled and it's access is dictated by a timeline. It's a part of the game's history. It was removed because of game mechanics. Not a raid. Players do not control when it drops and when it stops dropping.

Sleeper access is completely controlled by players. Devs will never remove it. Players do.

You're trying to argue apples and oranges

Anyways, it's doesn't matter any more. You're still wrong though.

[Bardp1999]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, that isn't what I said. Both Manastone and Sleeper are time limited content..

I think the point is the Sleeper doesn't have to be limited-time content if everyone plays together and no one takes the ball home

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the point is the Sleeper doesn't have to be limited-time content if everyone plays together and no one takes the ball home

I understand what people are trying to argue. You have summed up their argument correctly.

The problem is that logic is flawed, because the intent of Sleeper is to be awoken. There is a reason Sleeper works differently than all other mobs in the game who are not limited time. If Sleeper was not meant to be awoken, or to despawn Warders, then that wouldn't happen.

The P99 developers put the Sleeper in because they knew the players would probably awaken him. Is it a guarantee? No, but statistically speaking it is the more common course of action, and I do not assume the developers are so stupid that they put it in betting players wouldn't wake the Sleeper. They have been proven correct on both servers so far that players would awaken the Sleeper.

That is why Sleeper is no different from Manastone. It is a safe bet players will pull the switch at some point, and basically no different from implementing a forced timer, other than it's variability. Again, just because something COULD happen, doesn't mean there is a good chance it will happen. Psychology and statistics are not separated from video game design, they are a part of it.